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Postby Curly_07 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:18 pm

Welcome. Don't be surprised if you get flamed because of your irresponsible choice to get a dog that isn't legal where you are. We need responsible owners in the breed, and obtaining one illegally is NOT helping our fight. There are numerous members on here from Ontario, and they also wish to own the breed...but they are waiting until the BSL is overturned, like a responsible owner would do. By getting this puppy, you are having no regard for its life. Please think long and hard about how your selfish choice will effect the pup and others wanting this breed. Read around the forum and educate yourself. There are tons of info here on the breed.

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Postby Curly_07 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:37 pm

There are so many things wrong with your thought process, I honestly don't know where to begin.

Lets start with "By getting the puppy I am essentially saving it's life as it will be sold to who knows who in god knows were. They litter will be sold with or without me"....this is what backyard breeders thrive on! They know people like you that mean well, will take their pups. This encourages them to breed another litter, and another, and another. There is nothing responsible about breeding/purchasing pit bulls in BSL land. Especially when the breed is so overbred it's not even funny.

Then this one "my neighbourhood is FULL of "pitbulls" and "pitbull" crosses. No one has been effected by BSL yet. Not saying it's not possible but as long as she/he is leashed I don;t see a problem"...really?!?! Just because your ballsy irresponsible neighbors do it, doesn't make it right! You need to wake up, and think about things. You are only helping screw up BSL getting overturned by breaking the law, and keeping a dog in the area with a good possibility of being caught.

Oh, and this one cracks me up.. " I have a vet who will ensure it is not a pitbull on paper". Do you pay any attention to the news? There have been pure bred papered dogs of breeds NOT pit bull that have been Euth'd because the "look like/have similarities" of a pit bull.

You need to read up...Start with these:

(Breeders Code of Ethics)
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49670

(Fellow member, foster mom...and from Ontario-Read her story)
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=151494&p=1985001&hilit=Pit+Bull+in+Canada#p1985001

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:55 pm

Ugh I wish this was a joke.

I will reply further after work but I too am in Ontario with a LEGAL pitbull and if you are disillusioned enough to think that "nothing has happened yet", you're either ignorant, in denial or don't watch the news/read the papers.

Can't wait to meet you when your pup gets seized and you call me to fly your pup out of Ontario (it will be my fourth already in 2012...)

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:51 pm

I DID have a puppy. His name was Enzo. I sent him to Nova Scotia and I KNOW I could have been a responsible owner.
I live in a small town where no one would ask questions.
I could have kept him safe.

And it ripped out my heart when I sent him away.

You, the idiots who breed these dogs (please don't call it an accident since intact male + intact female does not an accident make...it makes a horribly irresponsible and ignorant owner) are pouring salt in the wound.

I know each and every story intimately. Do you?
The tens of thousands of dollars spent on court fees, the months the dogs spend in limbo, their only contact with AC officers, the unexplained injuries sustained?

No one is fighting harder to change this law. No one wants a pitbull puppy more. But I will NOT put any dog of mine at risk by blatantly ignoring the law.

You DO realize that there is still a large possibility the ban will remain, desire Bill 16 right?

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:56 pm

Oh, by the way, got a message today from someone who has been given one month to prove her dog is not a Pitbull. It is registered through her vet as a boxer/lab/American bulldog. She has vet records from the parents of the dog that say the same.
It may not be enough.

I'm on stand by to smuggle her dog out of Ontario.

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:02 pm

Oh yeah, I also was part of a team this weekend that smuggled out an eight year old, otherwise legal, pitbull. She was attacked IN HER OWN YARD by a beagle mix that sustained punctures in te scuffle.

Because the dog was unleashed/unmuzzled, it had until Monday to get out or be euthanized.

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:01 pm

Hm. Well look at the email I *just* received:
Hi everyone:
 
We have a request for three large (36” in length) or extra large (42” in length) donated vari kennels to fly three Southern Ontario Pit x’s to a Calgary based rescue.  The dogs are scheduled to fly out from the Toronto Airport Sunday February 19th.  Does anyone have a crate to donate?
 
Thank you.


Still think "nothings happened"?

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:22 pm

Don't compare me to you. I'm the one saving the dogs people like you own. My issue is that if you ARE caught, and don't flatter yourself, the possibility exists, you get a $10000 fine. Big deal. Your dog gets seized and either flown out of Ontario (if he's lucky) or euthanized.

Lets say for example that your dog does live a long, safe, happy life. What about the rest of the litter? If you are as upstanding a dog owner as you claim, it makes it 10x worse that you are accepting this puppy as you are CONDONING breeding illegal dogs?

I shouldnt have to fight from with inside this circle too. I'm too exhausted fighting the people who hate pitbulls to fight the ones who claim to be in our corner. You should be ashamed.

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:29 pm

Also, to answer your question as to what would I do? I would tell the breeder he's an idiot, attmpt to convince him that his dogs are not safe and neither are their offspring. I would offer my help in getting them spayed and neutered. I would offer to get the pups out of province. I would be ignored. I would be told "I'm a good owner, it won't happen to me!" I will sit back and wait and pray that I don't read about these pups in a headline somewhere. I would inevitably end up seeing at LEAST one in danger, and start calling rescues outside of Ontario. I would get the pups vetted and then send them out on a plane.

And you ARE ignorant if you think you can't rescue a pitbull in Ontario. You are either ignorant or too lazy to look or too rushed to wait. There are tons of legal pitbulls for adoption within the province. You are CHOOSING to get an illegal puppy.

I might actually use your ignorant above posts however as proof that the bam only affects innocent and responsible people. Irresponsible owners like yourself are just ignoring the law anyways.

But while you're enjoying your illegal puppy, I'll be out campaigning for his safety with my muzzled, toothless, legal pitbull by my side.

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:23 pm

I wonder if you would be so quick to ignore the law if it was your own life at risk?

I would do nothing? What are my options? Report them to the SPCA and be responsible for them all being euthanized? No, I should do what you are doing, reward the irresponsible breeder by taking a pup off his hands.

Why do I muzzle my dog? Because I love her enough to NEVER risk her life. Clearly you put more care into your over-inflated "rebel" ego than your dogs. Its obvious that you see your pitbull pup as a status symbol.

No, I can't see ANY reason your neighbors would report you. Clearly a stand up citizen...

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Postby Meaghan Edwards » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:30 pm

Disobeying the law = setting up your dog for fail. :(

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Postby pitbullgirlbc » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:47 pm

It is always nice to have new members on this board but I have to say that I don't think you are going to learn anything here. Obviously you don't want to listen to what others have to say and obviously you don't care about the fight that the members who own LEGAL pit bulls have to go through on a regular basis. Allison has fought very hard for pit bulls in Ontario who through no fault of their own have ended up in the shelter system because of people like you who try to "go against" the ban like there is no issue. It's not you who has to pay with your life, it's not you who ends up in a cold dank cell, it's not you who has to be forced to leave the province and from the sounds of things it's not you who has to fight against this ban. Instead of doing something so utterly stupid why don't you do something smart, tell the breeder to go to hell, get off your butt and actively work with a rescue to help pit bulls who are in trouble get out of Ontario and work actively to get rid of this ignorant ban not add to the who problem.

at least Allison can say she is doing what she can to help what can you say you are doing? Allison has already had to give up so much when she let Enzo leave, she had to go through the heart wrenching decision to let him be safe and out of harms way yet you are being extremely selfish and purposely putting this dog in danger. I am so sick of people who put their own needs first and the dog's needs last and one of those needs is safety and you CANNOT guarantee that this poor puppy is going to be safe, all it takes is one report and out comes AC and byebye puppy.

On another note, there is apparently no smilie to show utter disgust.....

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Postby Kingsgurl » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:29 am

God, BSL sucks. It's unfair and it punishes innocent people and dogs. We all agree on that. The people who owned the parents of that dog doomed him before his birth by disobeying the laws set up. I would bet they haven't spent much time trying to overturn it, why should they? They will just sell the pups to idealistic people like yourself.
I don't wish the life you will lead with that pup on anyone. Once you live in fear of the day he dies, it becomes so hard to become cavalier about what should be ordinary life. I want to to take my dog for a walk around the block.... will today be the day someone calls him in? I'm doing obedience work in my front yard, is this the day they roll up to take my partner away, where he will wait while I try to fight insanity to save his life?
If you want to own the breed A. Move somewhere where they are legal or B. fight to overturn the law before you do. Otherwise you are playing a self serving game of russian roullette with someone who is trusting you to take care of him

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Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:36 am

I used to go to the dog park with my boxer. Bylaw would be there some days to hand out tickets for licencing infractions, off leash dogs in the wrong area, failure to scoop poop, etc. I can only imagine what would happen if they came across your dog at the dog park.

The fact that you would even CONSIDER takin a pitbull to a dog park tells me you have no business owning this breed. You DO realize that dog aggression is in inherent trait within the breed and despite your intention to raise an "ambassador" dog, can still show this behavior? You DO realize that even if your dog isn't the instigator, any scuffle it's involved in will result in him being seized? You do realize that people at a dog park WILL report you, regardless of how well behaved your dog is?

Again, I've worked WITH bylaw and AC. I muzzle my dog because I KNOW that most of them are forced to follow a law that they don't agree with. How dare you insinuate that it doesn't tear me up inside that I have to follow this asinine law. And how dare you accuse me of doing nothing. If I knew your info I would be spreading far and wide your complete disregard for your pups safety and your obvious lack of knowledge of the very dogs you imply you are such an expert with.

How exactly do you intend to compete in agility with an illegal dog?


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