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I Need Help! Urgent! Please Read!

Postby SadiesMom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:19 pm

Hello to everyone!
I'm not sure if I am strictly supposed to introduce myself and my puppy here, or post my question now? I am going to do both so please bear with me!
Heres Sadie and my story, and my URGENT question.
Literally, last night, February 5th 2008 I walked into my corner store in my town to buy a pack of cigerettes. My fiance was with me and as we entered we noticed a lady had a 3 month old pitbull puppy in the store. My fiance and I immediately dropped to our knees and gave the puppy our undivded attention. Absolute love at first sight. We played with the puppy for a moment and conversed casually wiith the store clerks and the puppies "owner."
About 3 minutes into the play with this beautiful pup my fiance inadvertantly stated how much he has always wanted a pitbull and how gorgeous she was. He asked where the woman had found her and if there were more.
This is where the story gets very strange.
The woman said another lady had come in just moments before with the pup and literally GAVE THIS PUPPY TO HER?! No money. No papers. No nothing. Just walked in and offered this lady the beautiful cheerful healthy looking pup and left. She claimed her sister had left the mom and six puppies at her house for weeks now and she just couldn't take care of them so she was really GIVING her away?! I looked at the store clerks that were present because I know them fairly well from going in there everyday. They are very trusting people from my basic knowlege. They looked pleadingly at me, as if they were trying to tell me something.
I had been so absorbed with this puppy, whos name was snowflake last night but is now Sadie, and didn't even really look at the 'owner.' A better look revealed that she was seemingly poor. Very unkept herself and actually had a TRASH BAG for a leash that I hadn't noticed. It was right after this observation that the woman spontaniously suggested "Do you want to buy her?" I was dumb struck, but my fiance is initially always impulsive and looked at me like with a huge grin as excited as a child on christmas!!!! I considered this breifly and then suggested we couldn't afford her anyway. She was obviously a gorgeous pup, and I know how much pitbulls can go for (we always were looking at prices off and on because we did really want one.)
I then suggested we go and talk to our landlord and make sure it would be ok, to buy us some time to really consider and to truly make sure it was ok with him.
We did so and our landlord was 100% ok!!!! I realize this seems like a VERY sketchy deal and IT WAS!! But I know everyone here is a definite dog lover and obviously this wasn't just any dog either (she's actually a Rhodesian Pit Bull we found out today!) And she is SO pleasant and well behaved, you could see that when you first walked in and interacted with her! I realize how risky this was, we actually did wind up giving the woman 50 dollars. I feel silly now, BUT I DO NOT REGRET IT. It has been one day and this is where we have already found a BIG problem.
Last night in the car on the ride home, Sadie peed and pooped a bit on me. Now obviously that is to be expected. For one: Shes a puppy! For two: She's been through alot in just one day that I know of! Who knows how many hands shes been through, all I care about is her physical and mental health.
Like I said Mentally I can say, and I have never owned a pitbull (my mother does have a pitbull-german shepard mix who I ADORE) but she is SO well behaved, I am AMAZED. ABsolutely perfect, you can tell she hasn't been thouroughy trained, but even in one night she knows with little cues and prompts to sit, stay and get down off furniture! And it's not because she is scared at ALL! She just really wants to please and is so perceptive of tone of voice it's incredible.
I apologize, back to my second point. Physically, we realized within the first 3 hours of having her in the home something was definitely WRONG.
Pee was leaking out of her, and diarrea was splattered every where. She also didn't wag her tail, it just hung limp across her bottom. I immediatly suspected Parvo! I was devasted but I had already thought to myself, this was a sketchy deal, and something was bound to be wrong. I really just hoped Sadie would be better off with us for any amount of money than a homeless woman. And I am sure she is. Now these accidents were not CONTROLLED. She even peed and pooed while she fell asleep in my arms. Every time she eats or drinks it happens obviously, but she does not realize it is happening.
I know IT IS NOT a potty training issue. ALso her tail being limp poses a problem where the poop will get on it because for one, she doesn't know she is urinating or pooping and for two she cant control her tail to get it out of the way.
I made sure this morning to take her immediately to the vet. The said it was absolutely NOT PARVO. That it is one hundred percent a nerve damage problem. But the vet also said she has only seen one case of this in all of her experience so how do I know if she is right if she doent work with dogs with this. I just really want to know if there is anybody out there that can tell me what to do!? If there are any options! Any techniques, other related diagnosis. I am going to a different vet very soon to get a second opinion. I am obviously in a sort of denial. We love her so much already and the vet was suggesting, that even though she will not die from this, we should consider putting her down!!!! I don't want to do that! I just want to explore my options and see if somebody has or knows a dog like this and if there is ANYTHING you can do. I am beyond depressed. I have been crying all day about this. I have had her for a day and a night and I can't bare the thought of giving her to a shelter (where they would surly euthanize her) or having her put to sleep myself. I want to keep her but there has got to be SOMETHING I can do to help her stop this or control this.
Long term I am scared because my fiance and I are young. Best case scenario Sadie could live for years with this problem since it's not life threatening. But the downfall is.....even if we could deal with puddles and piles when we come home....what about when we have kids in just a few years. Or want to go away for a minuet? Who would take care of her? ANd how would our kids adapt to a dog that poops and pees all the time with no control. I am such a compasionate person but I am a rational thinker too. SO I am incredibly torn. I apologize for the length of this. I just need to vent and hopefully get my new baby some help so we can all live happy and content! Please HELP ME!

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Postby msvette2u » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:32 pm

Rhodesian Pit Bull

Do you mean a Rhodesian Ridgeback/Pit Bull mix??
I have no suggestions. It's too bad someone is out selling dogs like this.
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Rhodesian Ridgeback is correct

Postby SadiesMom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:43 pm

Yes I apologize, as I said I haven't read up enough about Pitbulls but that's exactly what the Vet had said was Rhodesian Ridgeback.
I am desperate for something. Someone to give me some hope and optimisim. Sadie just came out into the living room after I was through writing that first post. She looks so said like she knows whats going on. She was peppy and happy last night and this morning. But we did go to the vet so maybe she is just sleepy. She actually looks let down everytime she has an accident. My heart is really breaking. If anyone can help, once again. Please, tell me anything you know about nervous disorders with these symptoms or even simply any other disease or complication that sounds similar. I am investigating into this in hopes to find ways for Sadie My fiance and I to cope with this 'disability.' Thank you again!

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Postby SadiesMom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:46 pm

Yes I apologize, as I said I haven't read up enough about Pitbulls but that's exactly what the Vet had said was Rhodesian Ridgeback.
I am desperate for something. Someone to give me some hope and optimisim. Sadie just came out into the living room after I was through writing that first post. She looks so sad like she knows whats going on. She was peppy and happy last night and this morning. But we did go to the vet so maybe she is just sleepy. She actually looks let down everytime she has an accident. My heart is really breaking. If anyone can help, once again. Please, tell me anything you know about nervous system disorders with these symptoms or even simply any other disease or complication that sounds similar. I am investigating into this in hopes to find ways for Sadie My fiance and I to cope with this type of 'disability.' Thank you all so much again!

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Postby deedeesmom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:49 pm

How is she carrying herself? Does she drag her rear legs at all? I'm sorry, I hope there is something that can be done for her. I would
DEFINITLY get a second opinion. Did the first vet even take xrays? Coming from a questionable back ground it could be a spinal injury that is fixable.

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Postby msvette2u » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:49 pm

Unfortunately you have to consider the dog's quality of life.
Get a 2nd opinion.

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Postby layla » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:00 pm

i'm sorry your baby isn't feeling well..maybe you can go to a pet store and get some of those diapers or pads to help with the mess..

welcome to pbf too!

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Postby Siberian » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:19 pm

Please take her to another vet. Call around, to see who has experience with nerve damadge. Get exrays, etc. Maybe it is at the early stage and is fixable.

Also, check out "limp tail syndrome":
http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/limbertail-update704.html

Recently, my trainers Staffybull got this. It literally hanged. Dog looked pitiful, poor thing.

Does she respond when you touch her butt or her tail?

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Postby Shay59 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:20 pm

Welcome to PBF!

I haven't had any experience with this sort of thing. But it's strange that she was okay when you first saw her & then it started happening on the way home. Do you suppose something happened to her while you were gone to see your landlord? Maybe you can check with your friends at the store to find out if they saw anything while the woman was there.

Good luck with your 2nd vet opinion...I hope Sadie gets better.

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SADIE HAS WAGGED HER TAIL!

Postby SadiesMom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:03 pm

Wow! I am so amazed with how many people have responded in such short time! I love this site! You all are awesome and very helpful! I appreciate your warm wishes for our new baby! (I'm posting pictures soon!) I will be on here 24/7 for sure!!!!!! Thank you all who did respond! I definitely gained so much more hope just today hearing how many people agree that I should definitely receive a second opinion! I have talked to alot of people I know, and I realize they are just looking in best interest...in a way. But they are telling me to find her a different home, and I know that my fiance and I are NOT going to do that. Someone else would surly put her down like I said. I won't have it. We found her and have her now for a reason and that reason is we are the ones who are going to take care of her and have the patience. She needs us and we are going to find out what exactly is wrong.
Right now, like I said previously, I know with the first vet, that it is not Parvo which was my number one dreaded fear. So I feel the least bit better being relatively assured that she is healthy with what she is ingesting, and she IS retaining nutrients!!!! (The vet said she was a healthy looking pup, we are de-fleaing her tonight and worming her as soon as we can! We don't think she has those, but better safe than sorry with pups!) There's just absolutely no control when it comes to what was not absorbed for nutrients.
Doggy diapers are a definite possibility! I love the idea (maybe not an all day thing, but to take her in public and stuff I don't see a problem if she can keep them on!) ! Thank you for that idea!
I am looking into the limp tail syndrom, but tonight she has begun moving it!!! We're so excited! I feel so much better that we believe we can do this!!! And so many other people do too! Thank you all so very much!
As for quality of life, I respect that opinion...that's what the vet said as well when she recommended euthenizing her soon. BUT I CANT! She is happy and seems healthy with this exception of lack of bowel and urine control!
We already have DEFINITELY decided there will be NO reprimand for accidents with her....obviously because she CANT HELP IT! So I know she may feel discouraged when she does it (she seems dissappointed when she has an accident so I dont know if her prior owners disciplined her for these accidents :( but we can make her quality of life as close to normal as possible! Love, care and understanding! She is so happy and intelligent why would I put her down because she can't poop and pee outside? I realize that because she feels discouraged with herself that could lead to depression. We are going to try and keep her positive and give her lots of love! She's a special pup and if my own child had this problem I would change that childs diapers for the rest of my life. (I am a habilitation specialist which is Ironic in a way....I work with developmentally disaabled children so I have ALOT of patience and understanding prepared for Sadie already! I know she's not developmentally disabled nor is she a child...but she does have a disability in a way and she is my baby now, so she will be treated as my baby!)
My fiance and I are so very in love and she knows this, I think she definitetly already loves us too! She is so beautiful and smart! My heart breaks whenever I have seen her have an accident and get discouraged. We have decided to take what control we can of what she can't control. So were going to try this, I would love to hear what you all think of this idea.
I want to know the exact nutrients and amount of fluid intake and food that a growing puppy needs. I will find this out and begin this process we came up with and see if it works! When we find out what her daily intake for what her water and food should be, (we are going to make sure we give her some sort of prescription diet for starters.) Than this weekend we are going to literally look for some sort of basic pattern of digestion with her. When she takes in the required amount of food (which we will give the same amount at the same time of day/ night), say in the morning we are going to try 'timing' how long it takes for the accident to happen after she eats and drinks. If we are feeding her a consistant diet than her digestive tract should maintain the same process most every time. (Since it doesnt seem to be a problem with 'digestion' it is a problem with the signal her nerves arn't sending to her urinary tract and sphincter.) After we find out a relatively cosistant pattern in digestion and when she actual poops and pees after, we can feed her that same amount in the morning and at night and than when we know the BASIC timing of when she will digest it we can bring her outside in time before she has the accident. Hopefully.
I know. It will most likely not work every time. But it's a start. I know your digestive tract can be unpredictable, but this is what we are going to try! I will let you all know how it goes! I will be consulting a different vet very soon about this idea as well as other diagnosis it may be. Also, if you think there is a major reason this is a bad idea please let me know! Any advice has and will be appreciated by all! Positive and constructive! Thank you all again!

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Postby SadiesMom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:16 pm

deedeesmom wrote:How is she carrying herself? Does she drag her rear legs at all? I'm sorry, I hope there is something that can be done for her. I would
DEFINITLY get a second opinion. Did the first vet even take xrays? Coming from a questionable back ground it could be a spinal injury that is fixable.


Her rear legs do seem a LITTLE awkward. I was told that pitbulls have funny back legs anyway so I'm not sure if it has anything to do with it. She doesnt drag her back legs by any means, the are just almost bull legged. It doesnt seem to be result of seizure or anything like that. But I suppose that could be possible too. Were you thinking seizure or worms?Because I really don't think it's worms. She just simply can not hold her poop and pee. Thank you for responding! Please let me know what you are thinking as far as the bull leggedness goes? Is that actually normal?

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Postby Shay59 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:54 pm

When you say bull legged, do you mean to say bow legged? Or is it something else that I haven't heard of?

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Postby SadiesMom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:03 pm

Shay59 wrote:When you say bull legged, do you mean to say bow legged? Or is it something else that I haven't heard of?


ha-ha I am from Maine ...so we tend to write things the way it is commonly pronounced around 'these parts' lol I did mean bow legged! I stand corrected ha-ha I apologize :)

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Postby SadiesMom » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:08 pm

Shay59 wrote:Welcome to PBF!

I haven't had any experience with this sort of thing. But it's strange that she was okay when you first saw her & then it started happening on the way home. Do you suppose something happened to her while you were gone to see your landlord? Maybe you can check with your friends at the store to find out if they saw anything while the woman was there.

Good luck with your 2nd vet opinion...I hope Sadie gets better.


I don't believe anything happened, I did go back to the store tonight and speak with the two clerk ladies there. They were sad to hear what we've found with Sadie, but they had no idea and no inclination as to why it would be. They had been the ones who had seen the first lady who had all the other puppies that then gave Sadie to the homeless lady. I gave the clerks my home phone number, in hopes that if they see her again they can have her call me.
I in no way shape or form want to return Sadie, I wouldnt think the original woman who gave her to the homeless lady would even obviously want her back. I simply want to speak with her to see if the other pups have similar problems or if she knows what it is that Sadie has? Maybe the momma dog has it too whattever congentital 'disease' or deformity it could be. Thanks again!

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Postby Shay59 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:08 pm

SadiesMom wrote:
Shay59 wrote:When you say bull legged, do you mean to say bow legged? Or is it something else that I haven't heard of?


ha-ha I am from Maine ...so we tend to write things the way it is commonly pronounced around 'these parts' lol I did mean bow legged! I stand corrected ha-ha I apologize :)


No problem. I thought I'd ask, there was this one incident where I didn't know what happy tail was. I thought it literally was a wagging tail! lol


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