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Best way to build muscle

Postby TheDieseltruck » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:12 am

So, as some of you might know, Diesel's hip is very messed up. Here's a picture (sorry, I took it at work with my phone so the quality is bad.)

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if you look on the right side you can see that his hip bone is not in the socket, but there's not much we can do it fix it except for keep him on an NSAID and glucosimine, and build up the muscle on that leg so that most of the stress is taken off the hip bone itself. (And of course, right now, he has hardly any muscle on that leg.) Any advice on what exercises we could do that would be easier on his hip would be appreciated.

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Postby Misskiwi67 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:20 am

OUCH... that dog needs surgery. If it were my dog I'd be eating Ramen noodles until I could afford the surgery and I wouldn't ask my dog to do ANYthing on a joint that had been completely destroyed.

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Postby Sarah » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:00 am

Swimming.

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Postby TheDieseltruck » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:34 am

Misskiwi67 wrote:OUCH... that dog needs surgery. If it were my dog I'd be eating Ramen noodles until I could afford the surgery and I wouldn't ask my dog to do ANYthing on a joint that had been completely destroyed.


Well the only surgery would be a total hip replacement which is 3,000 dollars, and no matter what, I wouldn't be able to save up 3,000 dollars for a long, long time. Even if I ate ramen noodles, so please don't think of what YOU would do because that's not going to help me any. Another surgery that was possible was to cut the tip of the hip off and pop it back in but Doc said that that surgery has the chances of doing more harm than good because this is an old injury. Trust me, we went over all the possibilities and decided the best one would be to keep him on an NSAID and glucosimine because he has adapted well. And while it's hard to ask Diesel to exercise on a bad hip, it's better than letting him continue to put all that stress on his bone.


And thank you Sarah, that's one thing I was considering starting when summer starts. Any other low impact exercises anyone can think of?

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Postby pblove » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:53 am

another suggestion of swimming here.
I go to a feed store taht has a dog swimmng pool yoiu cna rent by 15 minute increments. I see dogs hobble in ther all the time, some can barely walk as they just had surgery or need surgery, or are seniors and in rough shape, looking so sad and/or forelorn. Once they get into that pool they get that beautiful sparkle back in their eyes, their little faces light up, as they can once again use their boides and have fun if only for a short period of time. (good place for the to paly fetch too without causing them any harm or pain)

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Postby TheDieseltruck » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:51 pm

Oh that sounds so neat, I doubt if there is any place like that around here, but I'm sure when the weather improves that I can take him out to the lake. (Or even sneak in to my parent's apt. complex's pool at night. lol )

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Postby msvette2u » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:57 pm

Is amputation an option? It might cost less :(

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Postby pblove » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:48 pm

TheDieseltruck wrote:Oh that sounds so neat, I doubt if there is any place like that around here, but I'm sure when the weather improves that I can take him out to the lake. (Or even sneak in to my parent's apt. complex's pool at night. lol )

I just did a quick search and you have a dog park in Tulsa with an inground dog swimmig pool for dogs in the large dog portion.(my dial up is very slow so did not to go to the link) I certaily do NOT advocate taking any/ our dogs to dog parks, but if the park /pool was empty, I might carry my dog in for a swim and keep him on leash while he is swimmng too. If any dogs enter, pick him up and get him out safely.
or you could start calling around to all the vets, dog groomers, dog trainers and ask if they know of any theraputic dog pools?
oh and you could go to a livestock feed store, but him at 100 gallon or larger stock tank and put him that to swim . It would be limited ground for him to cover so to speak, but he could at least tread water and build himself up that way. It beats a blank, when times are tough you do what you gotta do to keep your dog healthy and happy as you can right. :thumbsup:
I don't think I would sneak him in your parents pool, too much chlorine in a people pool, plus it is a good way to get into trouble. We don't need any more negativeness regarding our breed you know?
If I can think of any more ideas I will post them .

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Postby Misskiwi67 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:38 pm

Total hip replacement is NOT the only option. If you get a femoral head osteotomy (cheap and simple, just cut off the ball of the femur) your dog will be back to 95% of his original functionality within 2 months of surgery. Only then will the muscles create an appropriate false joint and allow your pup to excercise pain free... until then you're only asking your dog to rub bone on bone which is EXTREMELY painful.

AFTER the surgery you should do lots of swimming, and stairs at a walk.

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Postby Misskiwi67 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:42 pm

If your vet said you can't cut the ball off the femur just because this is an old injury I'd get a second opinion. There's no reason I know of that would prevent that surgery, no matter if the injury was 2 weeks ago or 2 years ago.

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Postby TheDieseltruck » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:27 pm

Misskiwi67 wrote:Total hip replacement is NOT the only option. If you get a femoral head osteotomy (cheap and simple, just cut off the ball of the femur) your dog will be back to 95% of his original functionality within 2 months of surgery. Only then will the muscles create an appropriate false joint and allow your pup to excercise pain free... until then you're only asking your dog to rub bone on bone which is EXTREMELY painful.

AFTER the surgery you should do lots of swimming, and stairs at a walk.


I know, that was the other option that we talked about (what I mentioned above). And at our clinic, we have three different vets and they all said the same thing. Due to the fact that so much fibrous tissue has built up around the bone, it would make it very hard to get to and the surgery itself has a 50% chance of working, and a chance of doing more harm than good. And doc has done this surgery to both hips of her dog, so she knows what she is talking about. I understand that you're a vet, and I repsect that you're trying to give me the best options, but trust me, we've covered all of them. I will probably talk to the vet again before I move, just to be sure she thinks we're on the right path with an NSAID and glucosimine. All three vets say that since he has adapted so well, it's not cruel to leave it as it is. But still, I do thank you for trying to help.

Oh, and I didn't think about a dog park. We're moving to Wichita, KS in a couple days so I will start checking out any dog parks there might be. Very good idea, thank you. :)

As for amputation, well...I don't know. I've thought about it, but right now I think we're gonna save that as a last resort. It just depends on how well he responds to our treatment now, and we will have to go from there.
As is life, huh? :(

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Postby Misskiwi67 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:24 pm

If he's adapting well, amputation would be a big step, and I don't see a reason to recommend that. You can always resort to that later.

I don't see how glucosamine would help, glucosamine is to lubricate a joint, and he doesnt' have one anymore.

I recommend seeing an orthopedic specialist.

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Postby teddy » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:35 pm

what was the final verdict on this situation? I really feel for you on this situation...Do you have any kind of pet insurance or something that could aid in this situation...

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Postby TheDieseltruck » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:14 am

Misskiwi67 wrote:If he's adapting well, amputation would be a big step, and I don't see a reason to recommend that. You can always resort to that later.

I don't see how glucosamine would help, glucosamine is to lubricate a joint, and he doesnt' have one anymore.

I recommend seeing an orthopedic specialist.


Well, as far as the orthopedic specialist goes, I don't have that kind of money. I will do everything I can for my dogs, but at the moment, sadly, it's just not possible. This thread actually reignited my concern and I talked to the DH about it, and I think when we move to Wichita we're going to talk to the new vet about it, see what they think. Perhaps they would feel more comfortable doing the fho. As for the glucosamine, I dunno, Doc said it would help, and it can't hurt by any means so I will continue it. If you have any suggestions as to what might help I'm completely open.

And teddy, well, there isn't really a final decision yet. When we move and get another opinion I'll let you all know. :)

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Postby TheDieseltruck » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:15 am

Oh, and no, I don't have pet insurance but I've actually been looking in to it. Do you have any experience? (If you do, throw me a PM :) )


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