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Postby KadillacGrrl » Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:47 pm

Gosh, I must be crazy then because I know when my dogs are losing or gaining right away... Because I see them every day. :)

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Postby Uahi » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:41 pm

KadillacGrrl wrote:Gosh, I must be crazy then because I know when my dogs are losing or gaining right away... Because I see them every day. :)
thats great I wish I could tell my dogs weight gains/ losses on a daily basis. being that I kinda know a little about nutrition and the poster was asking. I thought I would give my opinion. Thats all it is. My opinion.

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Postby Uahi » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:44 pm

KadillacGrrl wrote:... and if the pup starts looking fat, time to cut back on the food.

I have fed all of my dogs raw, and am currently feeding one dog raw. I've studied the diet for many years in theory and practice. :)

Dogs need as much as they need at that point in time. If they are growing or working, they need more to maintain.

It wasn't raw, but at one point I was feeding Kitty SIX CUPS of Nature's Variety when all other dogs were doing great on 2-3. She was growing like a weed, was skinny and not gaining weight on 6 cups... I had to change her food. Every dog is different.
Why aren't all your dogs on a Raw Diet?

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Postby Rinalia » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:57 pm

I agree about watching body condition. Six months is still puppyhood - I did not reduce my younger dog's intake until she was about a year and six months, when she finally started to fill out. Up until that point, she was being fed 6-12% of her body weight (more so at 8 mos and less so near 1.5 years). She now gets about 2-4% of her body weight, depending on activity level.

I sort of disagree about puppies and underfeeding - I think it's better to overfeed, if anything (not like "obesity-causing" overfeeding). Puppyhood is all about hormones and growth spurts and all sorts of crazy stuff going on chemically, bone-wise, hormonally...I think it's good to give them as much extra nutrients to work with as possible.

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Postby 1lila1 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:30 pm

Rinalia wrote: I sort of disagree about puppies and underfeeding - I think it's better to overfeed, if anything (not like "obesity-causing" overfeeding). Puppyhood is all about hormones and growth spurts and all sorts of crazy stuff going on chemically, bone-wise, hormonally...I think it's good to give them as much extra nutrients to work with as possible.


An overdose of nutrients can be just as harmful as an underdose for growing puppies. Esp. calcium. The same with calories. Excess calories during the growth phase have been linked to hip displasia and growth abnormalities.

My vet is supportive of raw diets, even for puppies, and agrees with me. She was the one who suggested to really watch his calcium intake and not overdo it. I do agree that puppies need more food than adult dogs. I just think it's easy to overdo it. Angel is fed far less than many on here feed their puppies and he is not thin by any means. It really is an individual "know your dog" type of thing. But for myself I'm more concerned with too much food than too little.

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Postby KadillacGrrl » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:38 pm

Uahi wrote: Why aren't all your dogs on a Raw Diet?


No particular reason...

I wasn't knocking you for your opinion, just offering my own, too ;)

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Postby FujiFig » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:02 am

Should I be concerned about any parasites at all? He's had a few, coming from a shelter and an overcrowded home before that. It's taken lots of meds to get rid of them - should I get him rechecked for an intestinal bug? I want to make sure he's getting all the neutriants from what I'm giving him. Also - he does lead a very active and athletic lifestyle, just saying to clear up some pervious posts.

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Postby WackyJacki » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:38 am

FujiFig wrote:Should I be concerned about any parasites at all? He's had a few, coming from a shelter and an overcrowded home before that. It's taken lots of meds to get rid of them - should I get him rechecked for an intestinal bug? I want to make sure he's getting all the neutriants from what I'm giving him. Also - he does lead a very active and athletic lifestyle, just saying to clear up some pervious posts.


I say as long as he is in good body condition, continue to feed as you are. When he gets older he will almost certainly need much less food.

As far as the parasites go, I would absolutely get him rechecked. It's important that you find out wether or not he's in the clear. :thumbsup:

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Postby Rinalia » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:47 am

1lila1 wrote:An overdose of nutrients can be just as harmful as an underdose for growing puppies. Esp. calcium. The same with calories. Excess calories during the growth phase have been linked to hip displasia and growth abnormalities.


True, but I don't think I suggested overloading a dog with nutrients. I agree that poor nutrition includes obesity as much as malnutrition and that excessive caloric intake can have deleterious effects as much as sub-optimal intake.

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Postby Uahi » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:02 pm

Rinalia wrote:
1lila1 wrote:An overdose of nutrients can be just as harmful as an underdose for growing puppies. Esp. calcium. The same with calories. Excess calories during the growth phase have been linked to hip displasia and growth abnormalities.


True, but I don't think I suggested overloading a dog with nutrients. I agree that poor nutrition includes obesity as much as malnutrition and that excessive caloric intake can have deleterious effects as much as sub-optimal intake.
like i said. I am assuming the op is new to this that is why she is asking. What should've been asked is what are you feeding your dogs. If I gave a pork shoulder bone twice a day that might end up at 6# but is the dog getting what they need? Is the diet done at a proper ratio. In the op it would have been nice to see a picture of the pup, but all of you know that 6# is a lot of food for a 50# dog, just some of you like to disagree with what i post.

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Postby Uahi » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:06 pm

FujiFig wrote:Should I be concerned about any parasites at all? He's had a few, coming from a shelter and an overcrowded home before that. It's taken lots of meds to get rid of them - should I get him rechecked for an intestinal bug? I want to make sure he's getting all the neutriants from what I'm giving him. Also - he does lead a very active and athletic lifestyle, just saying to clear up some pervious posts.

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Postby Uahi » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:07 pm

FujiFig wrote:Should I be concerned about any parasites at all? He's had a few, coming from a shelter and an overcrowded home before that. It's taken lots of meds to get rid of them - should I get him rechecked for an intestinal bug? I want to make sure he's getting all the neutriants from what I'm giving him. Also - he does lead a very active and athletic lifestyle, just saying to clear up some pervious posts.
oops forgot ther post. Because of the meds a probiotic might be in the best interest of the dog. \


And the real question is........ What does his dodo look like?

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Postby FujiFig » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:40 pm

I am not new to raw feeding - we've been feeding our other dog raw since we got her. He gets turkey and chicken mostly, occasinally he gets other meats but that is not with regularity. He also gets a high fish and veggie kibble on occasion when he hasn't been eating a variety due to what the store provides. He also gets Bravo Beef prepared patties that I mix with the kibble when the store does not have pup-suitable meat. I asked because I wanted to make sure that the amount was alright - honestly, he would eat more if I let him. He eats more than our Bernese Mountain dog (90 lbs) and that's why I wondered. yesterday he ate 4 good sized turkey necks and a large leg quarter. (weighed about 5.2 lbs)

The picture below was taken today - I admit that he doesn't look like 50lbs, but according to the vet scale he is. And yes - I am very sure that I was not on the scale, nor was any pressure on him. I am not new to that either. His fecal matter is normal, just regular dog poop. It has some bone-bits and accasionally sone veggie particals in it - but other than that it's just light brown and firm.

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Postby Uahi » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:09 pm

Im just wondering what is pup suitable meat.

kibble and meat mixed together is not recomended, they both digest at a different rate.

meat variety is very important and turkey necks are mostly bone and not a sufficient amout of meat. Like I said in a previous post if you feed your dog 6# mostly bone then your dog is gonna be deficient in many areas.

Also in the picture there (what looks like to me) is a weight baring bone (marrow bone) These are not recomended for dogs, because they are very hard and can cause tooth damage.

estimating from the picture and using your hands as a ref. Your dog looks to be about 50#, but IMOP a little over weight from his looks. It could be the lighting though.

Raw feeding is a model that most of us who do it take very seroiusly. It consist of some homework. There is a good thread on this forum and there are some pretty helpful people here, but you should have some sort of base line to refer to so you can take info and use it to the advantage of the dog, and not just because this is what people say on a forum.

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Postby 1lila1 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:01 pm

His weight looks fine to me for a six month old puppy. I can't tell his breed mix though so that would affect things some. Four turkey necks and a leg quarter (chicken?) is a lot of bone and the Ca to P ratio is way off. If this is a good example of what he's eating daily it could be that he's not digesting as much as the weight of the food would suggest. Could you post a weekly meal plan? That might help better determine if you're feeding him too much.


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