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dose/human grade glucosamine

Postby jewelsdaddy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:13 pm

I was wondering what the correct dose was for 50 lb dog if given human grade glucosamine and chondroitin? I know there are many brands and different milligrams. If I choose one it would be either 500 mg or 1000 mg.

I have used Cosequin DS for many years but considered switching to human grade if it is cheaper and more convenient to get.

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Postby WackyJacki » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:52 pm

I believe the standard recommended dose for a 50lb dog is around 500-750mg/day and chondroiton anywhere from 600-1000mg/day.

I would probably start at the lower end of the dose range and see how it goes, then move up a bit if neccisary.

I use a human supplement on my Boston because it's much cheaper. I open the capsule and sprinkle it on her food (or shove the capsule down her throat if I need to LOL)

I use the NOW brand.

Adding fish oil really helps the joints too :thumbsup:

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Postby WackyJacki » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:59 pm

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Glucosamine-Chondroitin

They have different variets, and it's available in liquid, capsule, or powder form.

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Postby jewelsdaddy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:35 pm

Thank you for the info.
My guys take Salmon oil daily and Vitamin C along with their Glucosamine and Chondroiton supplement.

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Postby starrlamia » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:14 pm

try4psi wrote:Glucosamine is a placebo drug that has no active ingredients. It does not work because of this and is a waste of money. People will feel better on glucosamine because they think that they are supposed to and therefore it works.


.... Glucosamine is the active ingredient it is an amino sugar, it is a precursor to the glycosaminoglycans which are a major component in cartiledge.
NVM the placebo affect doesnt apply to dogs, they dont know what the medication they are taking is for.
Tons of studies have shown that glucosamine helps.

Sorry OP :P

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Postby WackyJacki » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:40 pm

try4psi wrote:Glucosamine is a placebo drug that has no active ingredients. It does not work because of this and is a waste of money. People will feel better on glucosamine because they think that they are supposed to and therefore it works.


Do my dogs know they're supposed to feel better? Are my dogs experiencing the placebo effect? lol

Absurd.

You clearly have no understanding of glucosamine and the science behind it, so you might want to refrain from posting something you know nothing about.

Just some words of advice :thumbsup:

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Postby titan » Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:15 pm

Ok I wil post about something I know about :)) I am an novice bodybuilder, I have done shows, lifted heavy what have you. I have been doing this for almost 20 yrs. I was taking glucosamine, msm, Chondroitin before the general public new what the words were. We (bodybuilders) usually see supplement far before it becomes mainstream. So with that said I can say this. There are new studies out there that say glucosamine and such don't work, do I believe it....no. Did it work for me or my dogs..no, but like anything it will work for some and not for others. Are there other herbs out there that have worked for me and my dogs..yes. I have developed a supplement for dogs using this herb, but if I was here to pimp it I wouldn't tell you that glucosamine does what it is supposed to for many, but for others there are alternatives and products that actually may be better. The main concern is that like humans you must be careful because dogs can have shell fish allergies and if your pup has diabetes you need to be careful because it may affect insulin.[/b]

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Postby tiva » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:02 pm

There are lots of research studies on glucosamine in arthritic dogs. Some show little effect, but most show significant benefits. Here is an example of one recent double-blinded, controlled study (which means that nobody knew which dog was getting which pill until after the study was finished, so the placebo effect doesn't exist):

Vet J. 2007 Jul;174(1):54-61. Epub 2006 May 2. Links
Randomised double-blind, positive-controlled trial to assess the efficacy of glucosamine/chondroitin sulfate for the treatment of dogs with osteoarthritis.

McCarthy G, O'Donovan J, Jones B, McAllister H, Seed M, Mooney C.
Department of Small Animal Clinical Studies, School of Agriculture, Food Science and Veterinary Medicine, College of Life Sciences, UCD Dublin, Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland. grainne.mccarthy@ucd.ie

Thirty-five dogs were included in a randomised, double-blind, positive controlled, multi-centre trial to assess the efficacy of an orally-administered glucosamine hydrochloride and chondroitin sulfate (Glu/CS) combination for the treatment of confirmed osteoarthritis of hips or elbows. Carprofen was used as a positive control. Dogs were re-examined on days 14, 42 and 70 after initiation of treatment. Medication was then withdrawn and dogs were re-assessed on day 98. Response to treatment was based on subjective evaluation by participating veterinarians who recorded their findings at each visit. Dogs treated with Glu/CS showed statistically significant improvements in scores for pain, weight-bearing and severity of the condition by day 70 (P<0.001). Onset of significant response was slower for Glu/CS than for carprofen-treated dogs. The results show that Glu/CS has a positive clinical effect in dogs with osteoarthritis.

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Postby FBODGRL » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:34 pm

I know my vet and a specialist told me that the trick to it is starting the it before the dog has arhtritis :dunno:

I know for Khan it made a difference or his luxating patella magically stopped popping out and having issues with the leg. Whichever.....I keep him on it and I figure it soen't hurt.

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Postby WackyJacki » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:34 pm

FBODGRL wrote:I know my vet and a specialist told me that the trick to it is starting the it before the dog has arhtritis :dunno:

I know for Khan it made a difference or his luxating patella magically stopped popping out and having issues with the leg. Whichever.....I keep him on it and I figure it soen't hurt.


Like all supplements or medications, it may work, it may not. That's a given.

When Fiona started having luxating patella issues pretty bad, I put her on a gluco supplement. After a month of being on the supplement, her knee didn't pop out anymore. Her knee went from popping out several times EVERY DAY, to not one single time for almost 2 yrs. Did it just magically stop on it's own? I doubt it.

There are thousands of people out there who can testify that their dog(s) made HUGE, almost miraculous improvements after the introduction of a gluco/chondro supplement. Are these dogs having the placebo effect? Of course not.

There's also some debate as to what type of gluco is absorbed best, if liquid or powder/capsule form is better, is it best used in conjunction with chondroitin, etc.

I am a firm believer in it, and my dogs are all the proof I need :thumbsup:

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Postby FBODGRL » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:50 pm

I had the same result with Khan. His knee was popping out many times during the day. After being on Osteo-Bi-Flex for a while his knee almost never pops out.

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Postby WackyJacki » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:52 pm

FBODGRL wrote:I had the same result with Khan. His knee was popping out many times during the day. After being on Osteo-Bi-Flex for a while his knee almost never pops out.


We must have smart dogs... "thinking" their way into being better! lol


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