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Postby Kaia09 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:13 pm

I recently started my 10 month old Pit mix on raw 2 weeks ago. She is doing very well on it but I am a little nervous because I am finding chunks of bone in her stool. There is no blood and the pieces aren't that large I have to exam her stool to find them, but I am still worried they might do internal damage. Does anyone know if its normal to see pieces of bone in the stool?

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Postby BlueMountainBullies » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:51 pm

I would assume, that if you're feeding her bones, than to find pieces of bone in her stool is normal. If theres no blood, or black discharge I wouldn't worry too much and just keep an eye on it. The disgestive system isn't going to be able to break down the bone anymore than when she chews it. As long as she is not swallowing them whole, and is chewing, you shouldn't have too much problem.

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Postby Maryellen » Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:57 am

please read the BARF 101 sticky at the top of the HEalth page here..

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Postby FransterDoo » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:14 am

what exactly are you feeding? It could be too boney for a beginner dog or any dog.

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Postby HappyPuppy » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:57 am

My dog occasionally poops out the ends or pieces of chicken leg bones that are recognizable... I think some just doesn't dissolve completely.

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Postby Kaia09 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:04 am

I started her on boneless chicken breast the first week now I moved her up to quarter legs.

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Postby WackyJacki » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:25 pm

BlueMountainBullies wrote:I would assume, that if you're feeding her bones, than to find pieces of bone in her stool is normal. If theres no blood, or black discharge I wouldn't worry too much and just keep an eye on it. The disgestive system isn't going to be able to break down the bone anymore than when she chews it. As long as she is not swallowing them whole, and is chewing, you shouldn't have too much problem.


Their digestive systems break down raw bone quite well :thumbsup:

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Postby The Fate » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:53 pm

Maryellen wrote:please read the BARF 101 sticky at the top of the HEalth page here..


I disagree... I actually think the Barf 101 Sticky is pretty weak.
Its not even a informational, its just a conversation about the diet and someone just stickied it... I think it should be redone becuase im not going thru everyones post to learn about it. It should be just one solid post and closed so no one can reply

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Postby WackyJacki » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:58 pm

The Fate wrote:
Maryellen wrote:please read the BARF 101 sticky at the top of the HEalth page here..


I disagree... I actually think the Barf 101 Sticky is pretty weak.
Its not even a informational, its just a conversation about the diet and someone just stickied it... I think it should be redone becuase im not going thru everyones post to learn about it. It should be just one solid post and closed so no one can reply


I agree. You would have to read through a lot of stuff to get any concrete information from the BARF 101 sticky.

I think a sticky that includes a ton of links (that work) to various raw feeding resources would be a better idea. :dunno:

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Postby ProudMommy77 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:10 pm

WackyJacki wrote:
The Fate wrote:
Maryellen wrote:please read the BARF 101 sticky at the top of the HEalth page here..


I disagree... I actually think the Barf 101 Sticky is pretty weak.
Its not even a informational, its just a conversation about the diet and someone just stickied it... I think it should be redone becuase im not going thru everyones post to learn about it. It should be just one solid post and closed so no one can reply


I agree. You would have to read through a lot of stuff to get any concrete information from the BARF 101 sticky.

I think a sticky that includes a ton of links (that work) to various raw feeding resources would be a better idea. :dunno:


I agree too.

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Postby 1lila1 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:16 pm

WackyJacki wrote: I think a sticky that includes a ton of links (that work) to various raw feeding resources would be a better idea. :dunno:


I think so too. It's really hard for beginners to get anything useful out of that sticky as it is now. Maybe a sticky with just links, weekly or monthly meal plans for those experienced with raw, their experiences tips, how-to etc. without a conversation taking up the vast majority of the posts would help better.

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Postby Maryellen » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:16 pm

here you go The Fate... as you requested...

For those that feed raw, here is a compiled list of books, websites, etc courtesy of someone else some great websites and books for those wanting to go to BARF diets with their dogs, :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/illonahaus/sets/872344/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rottnbully ... 7450/show/

www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
www.sundaysaver.com/

pets.groups.yahoo.com/gro...-Supplier/
Books:
The BARF Diet by Ian Billinghurst, DVM
Home-Prepared Dog & Cat Diets: the Healthful Alternative
by Donald R. Strombeck
Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats by Kymythy Schultze
Work Wonders by Tom Lonsdale, DVM
The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog by Wendy Volhard
Switching To Raw by Susan K. Johnson
The New Natural Cat by Anitra Frazier
Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats by Richard Pitcairn, DVM and Susan Hubble Pitcarin
The Complete Herbal Handbook for the Dog and Cat by Juliette de Bairacli Levy
Raw Dog Food by Carina Beth McDonald
Websites:
General Information About Raw Diets
Raw Learning Site
The Top 50 BARF FAQ for Beginners
WellPet's Nutrition Articles
Caber Feidh's Holsitic Care Articles (site owned/articles written by sfraw member, Christie Keith)
RawFed.com
US Raw Meaty Bones Organization
Raw Connections

Articles
What's Best, Cooked or Raw?
Do Dogs and Cats Need Grains?
The Importance of Feeding a Natural Diet
Natural Diet for Dogs and Cats by Jeff Levy DVM
Why Raw?
Is A Raw Diet Dangerous? by Dr. Wysong
Why Cats Shouldn't Eat Dry Food

Raw Diet Guru Websites
Richard Pitcairn
Ian Billinghurst
Wendy Volhard
Tom Lonsdale
Kymythy Schultz
Sue Johnson
Marina Zacharias - based on Juliette de Bairacli Levy's diet
Monica Segal
Feline Specific Sites
Pottenger Cats study
Cat Nutrition
Feline Future
Holisticat
Raw Fed Cats
Michelle T. bernard's diet
How to prepare fresh cat food by Christine M. Ruessheim
Canine Specific Sites
The BARF Pictorial
Raw Dog Ranch Step-by-Step Pictorial
Raw Fed Dogs
Lew Olson
Dogaware
4LoveofDog
Forums:
Raw Diet Lists
The RawFeeding List (the biggest raw diet list - you should start here if new to raw)
The RawDiet List
The RawPaws List
The RawChat List
The BARFWorld List (hosted by veterinarian, Dr. Ian Billinghurst)
The advBARF List (for advanced discussions - no beginners, please)
The Basic Raw List (for those following more of a Lonsdale/whole carcass approach)
The BARFLite List (for those who feed cooked meat or kibble in addition to raw)

General Health Lists
WellPet (the original pet health list)
The NaturalPet List
The HolisticPet List
The Pets4Homeopathy List
Feline Lists
The Holisticat List
The CatBARF List
The CatNutrition List
The RawCat List
The FelineFutureDiet List
The CatWell List (general cat health, not just diet)
Canine Lists
The K9NutritionStudyGroup List
The RawPup List (great for learning to feed puppies raw)
The RawBreeder List
The NaturalRawDog List
The SeniorRawFeeding List
Ferret List
The NaturalFerret List
For breed specific raw groups, please go to the Yahoo! Groups site and do a search for your breed "+ BARF" or "+ raw". You will usually find a list specifically tailored to fanciers of your breed and/or breed type (sighthounds, giant breeds, toy breeds, etc.)
The RawVet List is a great place to send your vet so they can learn more about raw diets!
http://www.dogaware.com/dogfeeding.html
Re: BARF websites and books
www.rawfeddogs.net/
www.leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm
www.b-naturals.com/May2006.php
www.b-naturals.com/natural.php
Re: BARF websites and books
www.barfworld.com/
www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
www.barfers.com/
www.rawdogranch.com/
www.angelfire.com/biz/fro...awFed.html
www.b-naturals.com/default.php
www.ipindex.com/
www.caberfeidh.com/index.htm
www.bowchow.com/
www.forums.doghobbyist.com/fo...p?catid=29
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/
http://rawfed.com/
http://www.rawlearning.com/

premade raw:
www.omaspride.com
www.bravodiet.com
www.naturesvariety.com
www.primalpetfoods.com
www.barfproducts.com
www.amorepetfoods.com
http://pepperdogz.com
http://www.healthypawsllc.net/m_23.asp?pa=m_23
http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/index.shtml

http://www.hare-today.com/
http://www.ukrmb.co.uk/images/ww.pdf
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Postby WackyJacki » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:05 pm

Maryellen wrote:here you go The Fate... as you requested...

For those that feed raw, here is a compiled list of books, websites, etc courtesy of someone else some great websites and books for those wanting to go to BARF diets with their dogs, :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/illonahaus/sets/872344/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rottnbully ... 7450/show/

www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
www.sundaysaver.com/

pets.groups.yahoo.com/gro...-Supplier/
Books:
The BARF Diet by Ian Billinghurst, DVM
Home-Prepared Dog & Cat Diets: the Healthful Alternative
by Donald R. Strombeck
Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats by Kymythy Schultze
Work Wonders by Tom Lonsdale, DVM
The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog by Wendy Volhard
Switching To Raw by Susan K. Johnson
The New Natural Cat by Anitra Frazier
Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats by Richard Pitcairn, DVM and Susan Hubble Pitcarin
The Complete Herbal Handbook for the Dog and Cat by Juliette de Bairacli Levy
Raw Dog Food by Carina Beth McDonald
Websites:
General Information About Raw Diets
Raw Learning Site
The Top 50 BARF FAQ for Beginners
WellPet's Nutrition Articles
Caber Feidh's Holsitic Care Articles (site owned/articles written by sfraw member, Christie Keith)
RawFed.com
US Raw Meaty Bones Organization
Raw Connections

Articles
What's Best, Cooked or Raw?
Do Dogs and Cats Need Grains?
The Importance of Feeding a Natural Diet
Natural Diet for Dogs and Cats by Jeff Levy DVM
Why Raw?
Is A Raw Diet Dangerous? by Dr. Wysong
Why Cats Shouldn't Eat Dry Food

Raw Diet Guru Websites
Richard Pitcairn
Ian Billinghurst
Wendy Volhard
Tom Lonsdale
Kymythy Schultz
Sue Johnson
Marina Zacharias - based on Juliette de Bairacli Levy's diet
Monica Segal
Feline Specific Sites
Pottenger Cats study
Cat Nutrition
Feline Future
Holisticat
Raw Fed Cats
Michelle T. bernard's diet
How to prepare fresh cat food by Christine M. Ruessheim
Canine Specific Sites
The BARF Pictorial
Raw Dog Ranch Step-by-Step Pictorial
Raw Fed Dogs
Lew Olson
Dogaware
4LoveofDog
Forums:
Raw Diet Lists
The RawFeeding List (the biggest raw diet list - you should start here if new to raw)
The RawDiet List
The RawPaws List
The RawChat List
The BARFWorld List (hosted by veterinarian, Dr. Ian Billinghurst)
The advBARF List (for advanced discussions - no beginners, please)
The Basic Raw List (for those following more of a Lonsdale/whole carcass approach)
The BARFLite List (for those who feed cooked meat or kibble in addition to raw)

General Health Lists
WellPet (the original pet health list)
The NaturalPet List
The HolisticPet List
The Pets4Homeopathy List
Feline Lists
The Holisticat List
The CatBARF List
The CatNutrition List
The RawCat List
The FelineFutureDiet List
The CatWell List (general cat health, not just diet)
Canine Lists
The K9NutritionStudyGroup List
The RawPup List (great for learning to feed puppies raw)
The RawBreeder List
The NaturalRawDog List
The SeniorRawFeeding List
Ferret List
The NaturalFerret List
For breed specific raw groups, please go to the Yahoo! Groups site and do a search for your breed "+ BARF" or "+ raw". You will usually find a list specifically tailored to fanciers of your breed and/or breed type (sighthounds, giant breeds, toy breeds, etc.)
The RawVet List is a great place to send your vet so they can learn more about raw diets!
http://www.dogaware.com/dogfeeding.html
Re: BARF websites and books
www.rawfeddogs.net/
www.leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm
www.b-naturals.com/May2006.php
www.b-naturals.com/natural.php
Re: BARF websites and books
www.barfworld.com/
www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
www.barfers.com/
www.rawdogranch.com/
www.angelfire.com/biz/fro...awFed.html
www.b-naturals.com/default.php
www.ipindex.com/
www.caberfeidh.com/index.htm
www.bowchow.com/
www.forums.doghobbyist.com/fo...p?catid=29
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/
http://rawfed.com/
http://www.rawlearning.com/

premade raw:
www.omaspride.com
www.bravodiet.com
www.naturesvariety.com
www.primalpetfoods.com
www.barfproducts.com
www.amorepetfoods.com
http://pepperdogz.com
http://www.healthypawsllc.net/m_23.asp?pa=m_23
http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/index.shtml

http://www.hare-today.com/
http://www.ukrmb.co.uk/images/ww.pdf
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But ME, a lot of those links don't even work :frown:

I think an updated list of links and links to books would be appropriate.

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Postby FransterDoo » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:58 pm

So reply to the Resource sticky with updated links that work. It's insanely time consuming to fix all of them and I think that someone who was interested in Raw could google the titles..

IMO the BARF 101 sticky is too long and convoluted but then again, Raw is so individualized that I would hesitate to create menus for people who may not do any other reading and just take my advice as word.

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Postby WackyJacki » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:14 pm

FransterDoo wrote:So reply to the Resource sticky with updated links that work. It's insanely time consuming to fix all of them and I think that someone who was interested in Raw could google the titles..

IMO the BARF 101 sticky is too long and convoluted but then again, Raw is so individualized that I would hesitate to create menus for people who may not do any other reading and just take my advice as word.


I'm not talking about creating menus, just links that provide a variety of information :thumbsup:

I would post links at the end of the sticky, but I'm not sure anyone would get far enough to find them lol


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