Raw Diet Question

Talk about diets, exercise, and disease.
User avatar
1lila1
Pit Bull Forum Addict
Posts: 1878
Joined: Sat May 27, 2006 12:35 pm

Postby 1lila1 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:18 pm

FransterDoo wrote:IMO the BARF 101 sticky is too long and convoluted but then again, Raw is so individualized that I would hesitate to create menus for people who may not do any other reading and just take my advice as word.


Yeah, that's something to consider. I just know that I've been asked quite a few times to post a menu and how I do raw. Sometimes I don't because it is quite time consuming and I don't always have the time. Although one of these days I'll get smart and save the darned thing in Word or something!

User avatar
WackyJacki
Addicted to PBF
Posts: 4880
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:20 pm
Location: www.collarshop.org
Contact:

Postby WackyJacki » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:22 pm

1lila1 wrote:
FransterDoo wrote:IMO the BARF 101 sticky is too long and convoluted but then again, Raw is so individualized that I would hesitate to create menus for people who may not do any other reading and just take my advice as word.


Yeah, that's something to consider. I just know that I've been asked quite a few times to post a menu and how I do raw. Sometimes I don't because it is quite time consuming and I don't always have the time. Although one of these days I'll get smart and save the darned thing in Word or something!


I post a lot of links myself... I should save up all the websites I have found valuable and post them.

But I haven't yet, and I'm lazy? lol

User avatar
Punky
Newborn Bully
Posts: 26
Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:08 am
Location: Baltimore, MD

Postby Punky » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:01 am

I want to switch Tequila over to raw. But, there is so much information that I feel like she would be long gone by the time I understood everything from what additional supplements to give and how to balance them out to what meats to feed to give her the correct 80-10-10 (muscle meat - bone - organ) ratio. It doesn't help that I'm a vegetarian.

I figured I would start with K-9 Kraving and slowly work my way up to wole meats.

I just hope her mast cell doesn't get to the best of her by the time I know enough to start.

It is really hard figuring out what to do with all these posts on the boards. What one book recommends may not be the same another book recommends, so where do you go from there? I do agree that the sticky is hard to follow.

User avatar
WackyJacki
Addicted to PBF
Posts: 4880
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:20 pm
Location: www.collarshop.org
Contact:

Postby WackyJacki » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:32 am

Punky wrote:I want to switch Tequila over to raw. But, there is so much information that I feel like she would be long gone by the time I understood everything from what additional supplements to give and how to balance them out to what meats to feed to give her the correct 80-10-10 (muscle meat - bone - organ) ratio. It doesn't help that I'm a vegetarian.

I figured I would start with K-9 Kraving and slowly work my way up to wole meats.

I just hope her mast cell doesn't get to the best of her by the time I know enough to start.

It is really hard figuring out what to do with all these posts on the boards. What one book recommends may not be the same another book recommends, so where do you go from there? I do agree that the sticky is hard to follow.


There are many schools of thought regarding raw feeding (and just about every other subject in the world lol).

I have read a ton of it. I decided to go with a prey model diet, one based on nature. I don't feed vegetables (except as treats). That is where the 80-10-10 ratio comes in.

So that means 80% muscle meat (chicken, pork, beef, rabbit, duck, lamb, goat, venison, fish etc etc).

About 10% bone (I use mostly chicken pieces for their bone meals, because they're relatively soft and easy to crunch up)

And about 10% organs (kidney, liver, tripe etc). About half of that should be liver. I use both chicken and calf/beef liver.

Does that mean I precisely weigh everything and stick to that ratio to a tee? Absolutely not. I aim for that balance over time, but I don't stay up at night freaking out about it. I feed a variety of different things, watch my dogs body weight and overall condition, keep an eye on their poop (super hard poop means too much bone, a really soft poop means not enough, generally speaking), and that's about it.

Supplements are another topic. Some people, including those who feed kibble, supplement up the wazoo, others don't supplement at all. I believe a well balanced, varied diet is all my dogs need for the most part. With that said, I use a few supplements to help my dogs out with certain conditions (like a gluco/chondro/msm supplement and vit. c) and I supplement with fish oil because my girls don't eat a lot of fish. That's about it. It's really straight forward and simple.

It's essential to educate yourself, and I would recommend reading from a variety of different sources, then go with what you think will be best for your dog. There's no one size fits all, and there's no raw feeding "Bible" out there. In the beginning it can be overwhelming, and believe me, I was super paranoid lol but you learn to relax and it becomes no big deal :thumbsup:

BTW, a high protein, low carb diet is highly recommended for dogs (and people!) dealing with cancer.

Here are a few websites with some basic, easy to understand information:

http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/
http://www.rawlearning.com/
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/

Here's an explanation of the differences between a prey model diet and a "BARF" diet:

http://rawfed.com/myths/preymodel.html

A wonderful raw feeding group on Yahoo with over 15,000 members, loaded with information and lots of experienced raw feeders:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

Some cancer diet information:

http://www.dogcancer.net/diet.html

Sorry for rambling LOL

User avatar
Punky
Newborn Bully
Posts: 26
Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:08 am
Location: Baltimore, MD

Postby Punky » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:43 pm

Wow, I wasn't expecting that much info. Lol

I figured raw is one of the things that you can never do enough research on, so you might as well just jump in and start somewhere and learn as you go.

Thanks for all the info.

User avatar
Uahi
Newborn Bully
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:48 pm

Postby Uahi » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:27 pm

WackyJacki wrote:
Punky wrote:I want to switch Tequila over to raw. But, there is so much information that I feel like she would be long gone by the time I understood everything from what additional supplements to give and how to balance them out to what meats to feed to give her the correct 80-10-10 (muscle meat - bone - organ) ratio. It doesn't help that I'm a vegetarian.

I figured I would start with K-9 Kraving and slowly work my way up to wole meats.

I just hope her mast cell doesn't get to the best of her by the time I know enough to start.

It is really hard figuring out what to do with all these posts on the boards. What one book recommends may not be the same another book recommends, so where do you go from there? I do agree that the sticky is hard to follow.


There are many schools of thought regarding raw feeding (and just about every other subject in the world lol).

I have read a ton of it. I decided to go with a prey model diet, one based on nature. I don't feed vegetables (except as treats). That is where the 80-10-10 ratio comes in.

So that means 80% muscle meat (chicken, pork, beef, rabbit, duck, lamb, goat, venison, fish etc etc).

About 10% bone (I use mostly chicken pieces for their bone meals, because they're relatively soft and easy to crunch up)

And about 10% organs (kidney, liver, tripe etc). About half of that should be liver. I use both chicken and calf/beef liver.

Does that mean I precisely weigh everything and stick to that ratio to a tee? Absolutely not. I aim for that balance over time, but I don't stay up at night freaking out about it. I feed a variety of different things, watch my dogs body weight and overall condition, keep an eye on their poop (super hard poop means too much bone, a really soft poop means not enough, generally speaking), and that's about it.

Supplements are another topic. Some people, including those who feed kibble, supplement up the wazoo, others don't supplement at all. I believe a well balanced, varied diet is all my dogs need for the most part. With that said, I use a few supplements to help my dogs out with certain conditions (like a gluco/chondro/msm supplement and vit. c) and I supplement with fish oil because my girls don't eat a lot of fish. That's about it. It's really straight forward and simple.

It's essential to educate yourself, and I would recommend reading from a variety of different sources, then go with what you think will be best for your dog. There's no one size fits all, and there's no raw feeding "Bible" out there. In the beginning it can be overwhelming, and believe me, I was super paranoid lol but you learn to relax and it becomes no big deal :thumbsup:

BTW, a high protein, low carb diet is highly recommended for dogs (and people!) dealing with cancer.

Here are a few websites with some basic, easy to understand information:

http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/
http://www.rawlearning.com/
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/

Here's an explanation of the differences between a prey model diet and a "BARF" diet:

http://rawfed.com/myths/preymodel.html

A wonderful raw feeding group on Yahoo with over 15,000 members, loaded with information and lots of experienced raw feeders:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

Some cancer diet information:

http://www.dogcancer.net/diet.html

Sorry for rambling LOL
:goodpost:

User avatar
WackyJacki
Addicted to PBF
Posts: 4880
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:20 pm
Location: www.collarshop.org
Contact:

Postby WackyJacki » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:42 pm

Punky wrote:Wow, I wasn't expecting that much info. Lol

I figured raw is one of the things that you can never do enough research on, so you might as well just jump in and start somewhere and learn as you go.

Thanks for all the info.


Sorry for the bombardment of information LOL

You should do plenty of research before jumping in, but you don't need to have a degree in nutrition to feed your dog lol. But yes, there is also going to be a learning curve involved. You'll learn what your dog likes/dislikes, what he/she can tolerate, how much to feed, etc. That can only happen once you start!

User avatar
Uahi
Newborn Bully
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:48 pm

Postby Uahi » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:06 pm

WackyJacki wrote:
Punky wrote:Wow, I wasn't expecting that much info. Lol

I figured raw is one of the things that you can never do enough research on, so you might as well just jump in and start somewhere and learn as you go.

Thanks for all the info.


Sorry for the bombardment of information LOL

You should do plenty of research before jumping in, but you don't need to have a degree in nutrition to feed your dog lol. But yes, there is also going to be a learning curve involved. You'll learn what your dog likes/dislikes, what he/she can tolerate, how much to feed, etc. That can only happen once you start!


I got a degree in nutrition!


I actually think that messed me up in the early stages of Raw feeding roflmao

User avatar
WackyJacki
Addicted to PBF
Posts: 4880
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:20 pm
Location: www.collarshop.org
Contact:

Postby WackyJacki » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:10 pm

Uahi wrote:
WackyJacki wrote:
Punky wrote:Wow, I wasn't expecting that much info. Lol

I figured raw is one of the things that you can never do enough research on, so you might as well just jump in and start somewhere and learn as you go.

Thanks for all the info.


Sorry for the bombardment of information LOL

You should do plenty of research before jumping in, but you don't need to have a degree in nutrition to feed your dog lol. But yes, there is also going to be a learning curve involved. You'll learn what your dog likes/dislikes, what he/she can tolerate, how much to feed, etc. That can only happen once you start!


I got a degree in nutrition!


I actually think that messed me up in the early stages of Raw feeding roflmao


lol uh oh!

User avatar
Adrianne
Moderator
Posts: 10608
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:04 pm
Location: www.SmartyPaws.com
Contact:

Postby Adrianne » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:17 pm

I agree with whomever (sorry I didnt quote) said raw is so individualized it can be hard to make ONE post.

However, NJ boxer's site was the first start for me that really broke it down into simpletons language. Previously I had been sent to rawdogranch which I understand NOW but back then it sent my head whirling!


As for the bone chunks in poop I am not sure my dogs have ever had that... it sounds odd...

The GI of a dog usually digests bone. If I feed to much bone in a meal their poop will be powdery, dry, dusty, colorless but not chunked with bone. :dunno:

User avatar
FransterDoo
Addicted to PBF
Posts: 4443
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:54 pm
Location: smurf landia

Postby FransterDoo » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:12 pm

WackyJacki wrote:
1lila1 wrote:
FransterDoo wrote:IMO the BARF 101 sticky is too long and convoluted but then again, Raw is so individualized that I would hesitate to create menus for people who may not do any other reading and just take my advice as word.


Yeah, that's something to consider. I just know that I've been asked quite a few times to post a menu and how I do raw. Sometimes I don't because it is quite time consuming and I don't always have the time. Although one of these days I'll get smart and save the darned thing in Word or something!


I post a lot of links myself... I should save up all the websites I have found valuable and post them.

But I haven't yet, and I'm lazy? lol


http://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=65467

This is a chop and sticky of a post I made when all the kibble recalls were going on. The links died in translation. There's only 4 posts so if you stick those totally awesome links in there - it would be an easier place to point people to.

User avatar
WackyJacki
Addicted to PBF
Posts: 4880
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:20 pm
Location: www.collarshop.org
Contact:

Postby WackyJacki » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:46 pm

FransterDoo wrote:
WackyJacki wrote:
1lila1 wrote:
FransterDoo wrote:IMO the BARF 101 sticky is too long and convoluted but then again, Raw is so individualized that I would hesitate to create menus for people who may not do any other reading and just take my advice as word.


Yeah, that's something to consider. I just know that I've been asked quite a few times to post a menu and how I do raw. Sometimes I don't because it is quite time consuming and I don't always have the time. Although one of these days I'll get smart and save the darned thing in Word or something!


I post a lot of links myself... I should save up all the websites I have found valuable and post them.

But I haven't yet, and I'm lazy? lol


http://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=65467

This is a chop and sticky of a post I made when all the kibble recalls were going on. The links died in translation. There's only 4 posts so if you stick those totally awesome links in there - it would be an easier place to point people to.


Thanks!

I'll post a bunch of links that I've found useful on there :thumbsup:

User avatar
FransterDoo
Addicted to PBF
Posts: 4443
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:54 pm
Location: smurf landia

Postby FransterDoo » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:35 am

Cool - then folks can start getting pointed to that thread to research!


Return to “Health Issues”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests