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Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby KittyNyanNyan » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:33 pm

Okay, so on my other thread, I mentioned how we recently found out that Cody is suffering from CRF. According to the vet, he only has about 20% of his kidney function, and he had been deteriorating rapidly because back in November, his kidneys were completely okay.

With this new information, I've started to try and reformat his diet, his vitamin intake, everything.

I spent all day yesterday scouring the internet for what can be done, what to feed him and what to do.

I found a few recipes, but I'm not sure which is best, since I had some conflicting information and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions here? I've already applied to the K9Kidney Yahoo! Group.

As of right now, Cody is on 250 mg of Vitamin C, 1500 mg of Fish Oil, 1/2 pill of Dasuquin, antibiotic pills and 500 mg of Vitamin E. Does anyone else have any suggestions on how to tweak that or what I should add? The Vet I took him to seemed quite against the idea of raw, and supplementing Vitamin C, and Fish oil.

Currently I'm feeding him a "kidney healing recipe" by Rudi Edilati.

1 cup of Ground Beef
2 tablespoons of Olive Oil
2 cups of cooked white rice
1 cup of beef broth made from boiled ground beef.

Brown beef in olive oil over low heat until cooked through. Combine beef, broth and rice and cool. Should be soupy.


Is that okay? It seemed kind of greasy, but Cody loves it. I add his fish oil and Vitamin E to the meal once a day.
I have a few other recipes, but that seemed to be the easiest to start on.

He also has the squirts :/ Anything I can do about that?

I'm sorry about the incessant questions, I'm just trying to get a head start on this so maybe I can squeeze quite a bit more life out of him. The vet made it seem like a death sentence :sad:

Any more advice or help would be greatly appreciated! Especially recipes and how to control his diarrhea!

Thank you

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby msvette2u » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:05 pm

With that much oil and fats I'd worry about pancreatitis setting in.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby Murfins » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:16 pm

Do you have a holistic vet in your area that does Chinese medicine? My cat was diagnosed with CRF September 2008 (at the age of 19.5 years old) and started a herbal treatment of Chinese herbs given by a holistic vet and she lived a great life until she passed in January 2010 (just one week before her 21st birthday).

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby KittyNyanNyan » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:52 pm

msvette - I was worried about that too . . but I heard that dogs can handle lots of animal fat or something without adverse affects. I'll gladly switch his diet, do you have any suggestions?

Murfins - I was wanting to look into that, but money is a BIG issue right now. I'm currently having to save up for cremation and all those things whenever the time comes. I'd love to invest in that, but ride and money are big obstacles.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby Murfins » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:45 am

If it helps, it only cost us $30 a month for the medicine and the vet visit was the same price as a normal vet visit.

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Postby msvette2u » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:04 am

PM Misskiwi67 (?) and see if she has suggestions.
I agree with cooking but not sure if the tiny dog can handle that much fat, she would know better than I.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby porchcricket13 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:21 am

That amount of fat and oil could definitely bring on pancreatitis...I unfortunately don't have any suggestions as to what you should feed Cody, but please not that...

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby FransterDoo » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:20 am

http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html

http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#samplediet
http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#supplements

This was a great resource when our foster puppy died of renal failure. Higher fat is typically lower phosporus so that probably whil the meals you are currntly feeding are high in fat. But you'll see that the dogaware diet is more complicated and varied from what you are currently doing.

Also, K/d is an option as well.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby Misskiwi67 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:47 am

I have no idea if thats a good kidney diet or not... I do know that it has NO vitamin/mineral balance whatsoever, and will be extremely detrimental to your pet if you feed it for more than 4-6 weeks.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby pblove » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:20 am

FransterDoo wrote:http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html

http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#samplediet
http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#supplements

This was a great resource when our foster puppy died of renal failure. Higher fat is typically lower phosporus so that probably whil the meals you are currntly feeding are high in fat. But you'll see that the dogaware diet is more complicated and varied from what you are currently doing.

Also, K/d is an option as well.

I also highly suggest you go to the http://www.dogaware.com/kidneys
Once you get accepted on the yahoo kidney dog list you will get a LOT of helpful info. Kathy will be of great help/comfort to you on the kidney list. If you don't already have it, please get a copy of your dog most recent blood work and urinalysis as they will ask for it immediately on the list .
I wish you the best in helping your dog fight this dreaded disease. :pray

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Postby msvette2u » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:25 am

Although I think SC is a generally bad food, I would utilize their k/d for the dog for the time being, if I were you.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby Circe » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:39 pm

I can't stress enough to watch how much fat your dog gets. Pancreatitis is what killed my dog a few years ago, and we'd been managing her CRF for a little under a year at that point. We were feeding a totally holistic diet, home-cooked (you can't pay me to feed science diet). Also, are you doing subQ fluids? They technically don't help the kidneys that much, but they do help the animal feel better. I haven't really kept abreast of the research since my dog passed, but I do think there are a few new drugs out that have been shown to help. We had good luck with something called Azodyl.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby KittyNyanNyan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:15 pm

pblove wrote:
FransterDoo wrote:http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html

http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#samplediet
http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#supplements

This was a great resource when our foster puppy died of renal failure. Higher fat is typically lower phosporus so that probably whil the meals you are currntly feeding are high in fat. But you'll see that the dogaware diet is more complicated and varied from what you are currently doing.

Also, K/d is an option as well.

I also highly suggest you go to the http://www.dogaware.com/kidneys
Once you get accepted on the yahoo kidney dog list you will get a LOT of helpful info. Kathy will be of great help/comfort to you on the kidney list. If you don't already have it, please get a copy of your dog most recent blood work and urinalysis as they will ask for it immediately on the list .
I wish you the best in helping your dog fight this dreaded disease. :pray


My vet wouldn't give me a copy of his bloodwork. I don't understand why he didn't? When I asked for a urinalysis, they looked at me like I was crazy and was like, "Did you bring a urine sample in?"

I wasn't even aware I had to do that? All my past experiences with a urinalysis, the clinic drew it and tested it on their own.


Thank you FransterDoo - I looked at the website, but I can't make sense of all those diagrams or anything. Maybe I'm not reading it corrrectly, but I'm definitely comprehending any of this.

msvette - I may have to switch to science diet, all these homecooked diets on the internet are confusing me and giving me conflicting information. I just wish I knew what to do.

misskiwi - Do you have any suggestions as to what to feed him? Any home cooked diets that you may know that can help? I know you're already doing so much for me and I appreciate it.

Circe - The vet didn't even mention fluids. I wasn't even aware that was a treatment option until after I had left the vets and did some research on my own on the internet. This vet seemed very laidback about the prognosis, and he told me that my dog was going to die and that I wouldn't be able to do anything about it. He just sent me home with antibiotics, "to see what will happen".

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I want to be able to do SOMETHING. This vet completely discredited me for my age, and I'm livid now. I want to help my dog. I feel so helpless other situations and THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LEFT ALONE.

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby pblove » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:31 pm

look at the dogaware links
diets are on there too!

http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#samplediet

plus on above page/link all tests, what they mean, how to read the results, what mes are being used etc

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Re: Chronic Renal Failure Questions

Postby Circe » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:19 pm

KittNyanNyan, I would strongly suggest demanding a copy of your dog's bloodwork, and finding a new vet, PRONTO. With a combination of luck, education, and the right care for dogs with CRF, I've seen a few live up to 5-6 years post diagnosis. Having a good holistic vet is also an excellent help, as they tend to know more about alternative forms of treatment, and FAR more accepting of feeding a home-cooked, specially designed diet. They can also assist you in figuring out how to make one.
http://www.holisticvetlist.com/
Is the link I used to find a holistic vet when Midnight, my dog, was diagnosed. (I had a somewhat similar problem with a moron vet--they failed to diagnose it at all. I saw her bloodwork, did the research, and found a different vet to confirm CRF)
Misskiwi might be able to tell you more about how Azodyl works--I don't remember the specifics of it. However, after we had started giving it to Midnight, both her BUN and Creatinine (numbers that help indicate the severity of the CRF) were down below where she had been when she was first diagnosed.
I know you feel overwhelmed right now with all the information being thrown at you, as well as finding out that your dog has CRF--I was too. But keep at it. Eventually, it'll start making more sense, and you'll get a good understanding of what's going on. Good luck!


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