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Allergies ? kinda long

Postby loye » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:41 pm

Ok, so I've had Monty since November, when I got him he had a big patch of hair missing on his backend (from the base of his tail to just in front of his hips). I kept feeding him the dog food he was on and when I realized he was itching a lot and biting his feet (which I've know as a sign of allergies in previous dogs) I started making the transformation to Diamond dog food with no corn (they told me it was the best they had for allergies). Well that seemed to work. His hair was growing back in and there was no biting/itching. Well, then my fiance bought him dog food and 'couldn't find the kind' i get, so he just grabbed Kibbles and bit from walmart. Well, we noticed itching/biting/throwing up. He didn't start throwing up until a cpl wks after he'd already been eating KnB. So I took him to the vet, they said, of course, that it's probably allergies. I told her that I was gonna start switching him to the Diamond b/c he did good with that and they said to try it. I was told it could be food allergies and he could get the hypoallergenic food or just cook him lamb, venison, rice, duck. OR it could be environmental allergies.

So we did the transformation back to Diamond. Still itching/biting; but I've noticed it's gotten worse with the nicer weather. From his chin down his chest, belly, insides of back legs, and backs of legs he is losing hair! It's falling out like crazy!!! I don't have the $ right now to pay $30 for an 8lb bag of food (or $90 for a 25lb). So we found another food that is supposed to work for allergies. (working on the transition now). I'm thinking it's more of an environmental allergy (due to it happening as the weather is changing, and not having a prob with his food prior).

My questions are:
1.) How do I pinpoint what he is allergic to?
2.) What can I do in the mean time to help his itching/biting?
3.) What other options are out there for a food allergy dog? (if it turns out to be food)
4.) Another tips?!

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Re: Allergies ? kinda long

Postby Charlie282 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:35 pm

Our dog also has some major allergies. The vet put him on steroids which clears up the rash and helps with the itching. Our vet recommended Blue Buffalo, about $45 for 30 lbs. The second option was California Natural, a little pricier but nothing outrageous. Both avoid fillers and wheat, which we are pretty sure was causing Charlie boy's rash.

Also think about any lifestyle changes. A new blanket, dog bed, treats, detergeant, etc can cause a flare up. Eliminate as many variables as possible. We washed all of his pre-allergy stuff in the washer with just cold water and have eliminated any food products aside from Blue Buffalo. So far so good.

Have you tried the vet?

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Postby pacopoe » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:47 pm

Most likely you've got two different things going on: food allergies and environmental. It's spring, so this is when environmental allergies flare. His skin was already irritated by the food switch, so he was more sensitive to the change of the seasons (and plant stuffs in the air).

I battled allergies for years with Paco, some seasons even going so far as to having him wear a head-cone and bandages on his feet. Went through the steroid cycle as well, which just left his system even more fragile than before. The only thing that made it so he kicked his allergies for good was switching to raw food. If you do it right, it can cost as little as $1/day. Read the stickies for more info.

In the meantime, adding salmon or another kind of fish oil will help alleviate some of the symptoms. Benadryl can help as well for environmental allergies.

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Postby loye » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:24 pm

Charlie282 wrote:Our dog also has some major allergies. The vet put him on steroids which clears up the rash and helps with the itching. Our vet recommended Blue Buffalo, about $45 for 30 lbs. The second option was California Natural, a little pricier but nothing outrageous. Both avoid fillers and wheat, which we are pretty sure was causing Charlie boy's rash.

Also think about any lifestyle changes. A new blanket, dog bed, treats, detergeant, etc can cause a flare up. Eliminate as many variables as possible. We washed all of his pre-allergy stuff in the washer with just cold water and have eliminated any food products aside from Blue Buffalo. So far so good.

Have you tried the vet?


Thanks! I'll definitely think hard to see if there have been any changes. And we have talked to the vet. They told me to see if him on the Diamond he would go back to normal. If not, try the hypoallergenic. and if those don't work it's probably environmental. So that really didn't help! We've given him a few wks on his diamond again, now like I said we're trying a food that is suppsoed to be for allergy dogs.

pacopoe wrote:Most likely you've got two different things going on: food allergies and environmental. It's spring, so this is when environmental allergies flare. His skin was already irritated by the food switch, so he was more sensitive to the change of the seasons (and plant stuffs in the air).

I battled allergies for years with Paco, some seasons even going so far as to having him wear a head-cone and bandages on his feet. Went through the steroid cycle as well, which just left his system even more fragile than before. The only thing that made it so he kicked his allergies for good was switching to raw food. If you do it right, it can cost as little as $1/day. Read the stickies for more info.

In the meantime, adding salmon or another kind of fish oil will help alleviate some of the symptoms. Benadryl can help as well for environmental allergies.


Thanks! I think we may try switching to raw. I'll also look into the fish oil or benadryl (can it be regular ppl benadryl?)

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Re: Allergies ? kinda long

Postby KittyNyanNyan » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:36 pm

I second the raw diet.

Maybelle had HORRIBLE rashes, and she would never leave her feet alone. Then we switched her to raw. She has nice, pink, healthy skin and barely ever messes with her feet.

I also think they only make human benadryl :thumbsup:
Check with your vet for dosages.

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Postby loye » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:27 pm

Thanks everyone.

Ok, here is a question...

Are these symptoms of allergy dogs? Or is this something else to be concerned about...

Today Monty (who normally has a huge appetite) hasn't even touched his food. He's thrown up 3 times today (like a yellow bile). And this last time, he sat and looked toward me and looked like he was having trouble breathing, so I thought he was gonna be sick again and tried to coax him outside (I can usually get him to follow me out the door before he gets sick), he acted like he couldn't stand and could barely walk straight. He's been laying kinda tucked away by himself all day. And he seems to now be losing his hair in huge clumps when you pet him. But when I put him out back I noticed cigarette butts (our neighbors smoke and I think must be throwing their buts over our 6ft privacy fence!). Now, I'm wondering if he's been getting into those. I've never seen him even seen him sniff them when I've seen some before and been out back with him (i try to clean them up as soon as I find them, and have talked to the people about it). But I noticed there were quite a few more out there than I've ever seen. So now I'm wondering if this it's what's causing it. I'm calling the vet first thing in the AM to see about getting him looked at.

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Re: Allergies ? kinda long

Postby Charlie282 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:59 pm

What's the weather like?

Charlie is shedding a puppy almost everyday and his activity level has dropped as the temperature has gone up. However, he still eats his food the second it is put down. Although plenty of dogs nibble through out the day given the opportunity. Our pup has gone from 5 miles of exercise a day down to three, he can't seem to cool down. (About 90 degrees here).

The throw up is concerning. Good luck at the vet. We are heading there tomorrow as well. Something smells like arthritis :(

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Re: Allergies ? kinda long

Postby Maven » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:59 pm

Plain and simple. Call a vet.
Do a scratch test, etc. Pinpoint what allergies your dog may or may not have.
Allergies are torturous for all.
I went through it for a zillion years (or so it felt), prednisone, benadryl, vets, ear infections, yeast infections, ear hematomas row bleeding feet and continual hot spots. Before I found grain free, I had thought I would have to cook for Kale for the rest of his life. The specialist said, pollen and dust were the allergens, but grain didn't feel right as he still was so itchy even with treatment. Then one fine day I WAS introduced to grain free and and thought I will take one last ditch attempt at getting out of the cooking thing... I switched slowly to Orijen and the scratching, licking, inflamed ears and skin went away. I seriously wish I had discovered it a long time ago.

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Postby Jazzy » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:14 am

I second Maven...call a vet. The trouble standing/difficulty breathing would have me running to the emergency vet if it were after hours.

If you really want to get to the bottom of the allergies...have your vet refer you to a dermatologist (if you're going to spend the money, and the inital work up is not cheap...get it done once and right by a specialist). Have the intradermal skin test done...it is the gold standard for allergy testing...and any canine dermatologist will tell you that. The test can determine environmental allergies and will be used as a basis to develop de-sentsitization allergy injections.

My dog gets an injection every 20 days; plus zyrtec and benadryl during allergy season.

She gets a weekly bath with medicated shampoo per the dermatologist as well.

Good luck!!!

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Re: Allergies ? kinda long

Postby Sanddi » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:32 am

What about flea prevention? Even if you don't SEE any fleas, they still could be there. And in dogs that are allergic to fleas, one bite could send them scratching. The reason I'm asking about fleas is that is a very normal flea scratching area. Right on the butt, around the base of the tail.

My dog, Ace, is highly allergic to many seasonal things and other normal day to day things. He's allergic to grasses, trees, dust, cats, and himself. He is on an allergy shot every other week and he gets a steriod tablet every other day. (No, not Prednisone. He didn't do well on that.) He is also on a special diet that cuts out a lot of normal things in dog food. Finding out what he was allergic to was very expensive and the injections were also. I really hope your dog doesn't have severe allergies.

Also, I didn't notice, but how old is your dog? Many dogs don't develop allergies until they are about two. Ace started when he was about a year and a half.

Most important thing to do is go to your vet. Pick up some GOOD flea prevention like Frontline or something of the like. Flea collars and baths just don't do it anymore. If he/she thinks it's something like allergies, then they should give you a steriod if they think it's that serious.

Good luck!

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Re: Allergies ? kinda long

Postby Misskiwi67 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:07 pm

Dang, wish I'd seen this sooner. My internet has been fussy.

Vomiting is not a sign of allergies, I hope your pup is feeling better or has already seen a vet.

If you do a food change, you have to do more than JUST change the food. Dogs can also be allergic to treats, rawhides, other pets food (cat food is a common culprit), and necessary flavored medications like Rimadyl and heartguard. When switching foods, you HAVE to choose a food with ingredients your dog has never had before, cut out EVERYTHING ELSE, treat any secondary infections, and keep up without any mistakes for 3 months!!! This is the only way to rule out food allergies.

Flea allergies, environmental allergies, and hypothyroidism are also common culprits that cause itchiness, with environmental allergies making up 90% of the problem.


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