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*NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby ellie@ny » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:25 pm

Dr. Jean Dodd's NEW vaccine protocol - PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST
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Dr. W. Jean Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27
North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read
this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog
fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your
veterinarian and groomer, etc., etc. Get the word out.
Hi everyone.... THIS is wonderful news, that the veterinary schools are
now going to be teaching that over-vaccination of pets (once a year
"boosters") is only not necessary, but in some cases can be harmful or
deadly! It has information for both dogs and cats. There still is an
ongoing study regarding the Rabies vaccine. Most states now allow
(reluctantly) 3 year Rabies, but the study is collecting data on
whether or not even that may be too much. They are looking at 8 or 10
year Rabies!
I hope you all stop having yearly boosters for your pets. If you're
concerned with immune levels, have the vet run a Titer test. THEN and
only then, if the levels are below acceptable, should you have a
booster. After all, when is the last time you had a "booster" for
smallpox, or whooping cough, or anything else you had shots for as a
child? Immune systems work the same in all mammals, and the concept
that pets have to have yearly shots doesn't make any more sense than if
you had have shots every year. If mammal¢s immune systems were that
weak in fending off these things, all of them, us included, would have
been extinct years ago!

VACCINATION NEWS FLASH
I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North
America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating
dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an
ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some
organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting
vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs
those concerned about potential side effects.
Politics, traditions 20 or the doctor's economic well being should not
be a factor in medical decision.

NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY
"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified
live virus (MLV) vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an
immunity which is good for the life of the pet (i.e: canine distemper,
parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later,
the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the
second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not
"boosted" nor are more memory cells induced."< BR>
Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they
subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and
immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific documentation
to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines."
Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's milk. This natural
protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be
vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the
vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at
6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective
vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks
apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of
vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up
to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months
of age (usually at 1 year 4 months) will provide lifetime immunity.

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CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS
Distemper & Parvo *"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a
vaccinations series given at 2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with
MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life,
providing lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz
has studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine
distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are
pending. "There are no new strains of parvovirus as one manufacturer
would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity
for all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be
a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as
CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions &
kidney damage.
*Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel cough".
Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows,
or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal
vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with
less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not
protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration
(4 to 6 months).*
*RABIES - There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in
Harris, Montgomery or Ft. Bend Counties [ Texas ] but there have been
rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine
and must be given every year.
*Lyme disease-Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause
lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also
transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria
has proven to be the most effective vaccine. Lyme disease prevention
should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz collars are more
effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's mouthparts
preventing transmission of disease.

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**VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED* *
Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune
system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as
well as increasing the risk of a reaction. Canine Corona Virus is only
a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3
days without treatment). Cornell & Texas A&M have only diagnosed one
case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in
adult dogs.*
*Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs.
Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are
caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The
vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica.
Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived . Lepto
vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.

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NEW DEVELOPMENTS:
Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North
America , 30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It
has now been demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs &
cats and vice versa.*
Heartworm preventative must be given year-round in Houston .

*VACCINES BADLY NEEDED
New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and
cat scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick
diseases, much worse than Lyme] for dogs.

THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS
Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require
them. For years, the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into
thinking that the inherent value of an annual o ffice visit was in the
"shots". They failed to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for
early detection of treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will
continue to require Rabies & Kennel cough and emphasize the importance
of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will accept the new protocols and
honor these pets as currently vaccinated. Those in the boarding
business, who will honor the new vaccine facilities, are reluctant to
change.

CONCLUSION
Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, &
feline leukemia every year. Once the initial series of puppy or kitten
vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from
MLV vaccines persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year
of age are immune to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated
or not.
Imagine the money you will save, not to mention fewer risks from side
risk of mediated hemolytic anemia and allergic reactions are r educed
by less frequent use of vaccines as well as by avoiding unnecessary
vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and chlamydia for cats, as well as
ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP. Intranasal vaccine
for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper respiratory viruses of
cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines with
less risk of serious reactions.
The AAHA and all 27 veterinary schools of North America are our biggest
endorsement for these new protocols.*

*Dr. Bob Rogers*
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby BrokenAquarian » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:31 pm

:yipee: :headbang: That is all I have to say on that matter. lol
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby Misskiwi67 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:47 pm

What is new??
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby mtlu » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:54 pm

The information may not be new but it's a good reminder for people to have these discussions with their vets. Just because these protocols have been circulated does not mean that all veterinary practices have adopted them.

The BF brought Molly in for her annual check up in late June and she was also due for renewal of her 3yr rabies vaccine (proof of rabies vacc is required by law in SF for licensing). I instructed him to refuse all other vaccs which led to multiple phone calls/text messages while I was stuck in a meeting at work (and unable to answer any of them). The vet was apparently really flummoxed by the refusal of all other vaccs.

Last Friday, we had an unplanned vet visit for Molly and a different vet at the practice reviewed her chart and asked about the June visit and vaccines not administered. After listening to my concerns, she agreed to running titres go forward and also agreed with my assessment that Molly's exposure risk to bordetella is low and is okay with us skipping that one too.
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby pblove » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:17 pm

Misskiwi I have posted that info on here several times during the past 3-5 years. I think you had disagreed or had negative comments every time re Dr Dodds and the statement re 27 vet schools (if I remember correctly)
Have you changed your vaccine protocol or do you still push /suggest yearly vaccinations?
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby FBODGRL » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:00 am

I thought I had seen this several times before.

This is the protocol I have always done with my cats. Khan got vaccines last year (after vaccines 3 years prior), but he won't be vaccinated again.

I am quite up in the air with Lepto vaccine as they did have a new vaccine come out with less side effects, etc. and I am wondering if it came out after this or not. I did vaccinate him again for it this year and the previous 2 years. Lepto is quite common in my area. I have a new vet now, so before next year I will have to do more research and talk with him.

I still hear of vets pushing yearly vaccines (even rabies) and it makes me so angry!
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby FBODGRL » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:34 am

According to this....that was not written by Jean Dodds. Her vaccine protocol is at the end of this.


http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-C ... TOCOLS.HTM
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:01 am

My dogs get Rabies and DAP every third year, bordetella/parainfluenza yearly since they board/go to daycare and Obi started lepto this year because he lives to drink/swim in mucky water and we've had a couple lepto cases here the past year.

None of this is new to me either. :dunno:
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby Sarah » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:44 am

This same "new vaccine protocol" message has been passed around for years. The biggest problem I see with it is that when I see that phrase, I automatically tune out, since I've seen it umpteen times in the past few years. So what if there were a new vaccine protocol that people should hear about? :dunno:

I think the new lepto vaccine must have come out since that message was written. The newest one covers for more than one strain of lepto. I may get around to vaccinating mine for it, my vets decided to start recommending it (after doing research on it), and there is a lot of lepto in the rat populations around here. I can't vaccinate Tully for it though, as she won't be vaccinated anymore (due to the Cushings), so I'm waffling.
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby Misskiwi67 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:05 am

The problem with Dr. Dodds vaccine protocol is I have NEVER seen it. I have only seen the "new vaccine protocol" postings that don't have any real protocol in them other than don't give this or don't give that. The other problem with Dr. Dodds protocol is that its NOT used by the vet schools... the AAHA protocol is. Granted, they are similar, but its still the principle of someone taking credit where credit is NOT due.

I follow the AAHA recommendations, which involves 3 year vaccination, and I don't argue with owners if they don't want to vaccinate, I can think of a dozen offhand, I have several clients who don't. I do a serious discussion on rabies, but if they got their puppy series, I'm content.

We strongly recommend lepto and lyme in my area, because we see quite a bit of it. The new lyme vaccine is a recombinant and I haven't seen a single reaction to it. The newest lepto out this year has 4 serovars, 4 of the 6 most common.

Something else we do that a lot of other places don't, is split vaccines. We don't give more than 2 vaccines at a time to any dog unless the owners don't want to make the extra trip. You can get your updated vaccines without an exam in a healthy adult dog (puppies need exams for every vaccine, techs do a TPR and history for adult dogs) as long as they have had an exam within 6 months. This means you can get your lepto/lyme vaccines in March for best efficacy, and get the rabies/distemper boosters in September without paying for another exam. This makes it convenient for owners willing to make the extra trip, and safer for pets too.

We just had a long discussion about 3 year vaccine protocols in another thread a couple weeks ago, and I was shocked by how many people here had to fight for yearly vaccines. The 3 year protocol has been around since before I went to school (but not much more) and you'd think 10 years would be enough for the old fogies to get updated...
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby starrlamia » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:16 am

my vet is young and still gives yearly vaccines.
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby Misskiwi67 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:54 pm

starrlamia wrote:my vet is young and still gives yearly vaccines.


Do they own the practice?
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:25 pm

starrlamia wrote:my vet is young and still gives yearly vaccines.


There's one clinic here in my city that vaccinates for everything, every year, no discussions period. Horrible medicine IMO.
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby kagnew » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:18 am

AllisonPibbleLvr wrote:
starrlamia wrote:my vet is young and still gives yearly vaccines.


There's one clinic here in my city that vaccinates for everything, every year, no discussions period. Horrible medicine IMO.


I found a new vet after taking my then 17 year old cat in for bloodwork - specifically telling them not to vaccinate for heaven's sake - and picking him up later and finding out they did it anyway. The vet was absolutely adamant that I was wrong and it was his duty and they all need needles annually. (And Charles had HAD them annually up until the previous year...) He refused to even consider my concerns and asked when the Pugs were coming in for theirs. Wrong again buster. Cash grab much???
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Re: *NEW vaccine protocol*

Postby starrlamia » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:20 am

Misskiwi67 wrote:
starrlamia wrote:my vet is young and still gives yearly vaccines.


Do they own the practice?

i dont think so, the other vet isnt too much older but i guess old enough for the old protocol. I asked them about 3 year vaccines and they dont even carry them.
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