OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

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Postby concreterose » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:15 pm

littlefoot wrote:AllAmercianPUP: I take back what I said...this thread is going no where fast. I am just going to stop it before it gets much worse. I am truly sorry you are leaving the board, over something so very innocent as a comment about how Eli does not have perfect APBT conformation.


I wouldn't worry about it too much. She does this on several boards. When someone doesn't agree with her or she doesn't like what they say, she has a hissy fit. Oh well, her loss. That kind of attitude gets you nowhere fast, on the internet and in real life.
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Postby JaquelineC » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:17 pm

Peace out AllAmericanPUP!

:hi

(Ok, maybe I'm just a Monday-Morning Bitch today, but that's how I feel dammit!)
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Postby blover27 » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:18 pm

concreterose wrote:I wouldn't worry about it too much. She does this on several boards. When someone doesn't agree with her or she doesn't like what they say, she has a hissy fit. Oh well, her loss. That kind of attitude gets you nowhere fast, on the internet and in real life.

roflmao true true roflmao
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Postby HugABull1 » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:55 pm

What an interesting thread!

I think for me, the most interesting bit was Duckzilla's arguement. I personally think it was flawed, for the reasons Michelle stated (all wild dogs have prick ears). I've never thought about that aspect of ears (form and function), and have to say that, while I still do not support cropping (which I'll get to), a prick ear is certainly more "natural", and I wonder if dogs with cropped ears have slightly better hearing? Maybe we should start breeding all breeds to have prick ears? :tongue:

As for my position on cropping, as I've said many times, I don't support it. All my arguements against it have been stated by others:
-painful, unnecessary, risk of anesthetic, etc.
-mutilation for fashion

HOWEVER, that said, I'm certainly not on the judgemental, anti-cropping crusade I was on a year or so ago lol. Is it something I would do? no. In a perfect world, where everyone was perfect pet owners, there was no animal cruelty, pet overpopulation, etc., I'd be making a rip-roaring stink about it. But as Jmann said, there are much bigger issues at hand. If your crop your dog but are a responsible owner in other ways, hey, whatever, it's your thing. At least you're out there fighting the good fight, showing people what this breed is all about, and helping to save this breed simply by owing your dog responsibly. I'm a lot more worried about the people who are cruel to their pets, or are breeding or owning irresponsibly, fighting their dogs, etc., and just plain giving this breed a bad name.

In the big scheme of things, cropping is no biggie. Yeah, it sucks for the dog at the time, and it's unnecessary, but I'm pretty sure the dog will get over it. I don't think he's going to look in the mirror every day and wish for ears lol , it's not like the other dogs are going to make fun of him hehe. I'm pretty sure all the cropped dogs here are much more concerned with continuing their pampered pitter existences with their families who love them than with seeking retribution for their ears being cropped :))

And as for dog's who don't fit the standard, my Gage fits the bill, and it doesn't bother me at all when people say he doesn't look like a pit bull. The idea of seeing the parents (his both looked like pure APBTs) meaning a dog is the breed they appear to be makes him laugh:

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/chilliwackpitbull/DSC01717.jpg">

Gage is one dog who I think would look a bit more pittish (and very handsome) with cropped ears, although I'd never do it. I would LOVE though, for someone here (ahem...*cough*Michelle*cough*) to photoshop a crop onto him
:))

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/chilliwackpitbull/DSC01664.jpg">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/chilliwackpitbull/DSC02083.jpg">

*edited to add - geez my dog is handsome!!! He might not look like a pit, but he's a good looking pupper (of course, I'm a little biased). Seriously though, he is looking very nice, if original, these days, and I get so many comments on him. I should try and think up an original breed name lol, as people are always asking what kind of dog he is :)
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Postby GreddysAngel » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:44 pm

He is very handsome and this thread is entertaining! lol
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Postby duckzilla » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:07 pm

I figure I gotta just jump in again, even though I promised everyone I was finished.. which I am. Here's why:
Michelle brought some good points, MOST of you who argued me were simply to argue... And thats awesome, because I do it too. It cracks me up. BUT .. . My topic was based on form+function and I wasn't trying to say that prick ears are better vs non-prick, what I was saying is whatever shape mother nature intended it was intended as best for THAT organism. Simple as that.

HOWEVER, before that goes off again, many of you would like to know that I have since changed my song. I sought the experience and talent of folks close to me with degrees in this sort of thing, and you'll be happy to know they set me straight TOO. So thanks for letting me fall on my face. And uh.. well I learned something!
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Postby blover27 » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:10 pm

:thumbsup: and knowledge is power lol
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Postby mnp13 » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:11 pm

duckzilla wrote:So thanks for letting me fall on my face. And uh.. well I learned something!


Woo hoo! Kudos to you for being open minded enough to change your opinion!

Michelle

oh, and told you so! :twisted: :tongue: :))
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Postby duckzilla » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:13 pm

mnp13 wrote:oh, and told you so! :twisted: :tongue: :))

lol had it comin
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Postby HugABull1 » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:47 pm

roflmao Duckzilla - you crack me up. I totally understand where you got confused and where you were coming from. Thank you for being gracious and openminded! :thumbsup:
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Postby Kara » Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:15 pm

lol roflmao he he... this thread is entertaining.... my 'non-conforming' pit bull agrees too.... :headbang:
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Postby Chocolate Thunda » Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:23 pm

How did I miss any of this? Who cares? I did enjoy pages 11 thru 13 and noticed that Temper tantrums are not just limited to the children in my house. I do not think that It is at all necessary to dock a Pits tail unless they have banged it into a bloody pulp or caused physical damage to you because of it (One more time Gator). It does not serve any real purpose for them as it would for a cat that will use it for balance. I will however quote myself in the matter of the cropped ear thing
I prefer 22's on my SUV. While you on the other hand may like the factory 17"s it came w/ it. I have no right to tell you that's it's ugly just because you like it plain.
This is where Allamerican chimed in about Rims having nothing to do w/ ears. She's right they have nothing to do w/ ears but it has everything to do w/ PERSONAL taste. It's your dog, get it's nipples pierced if you want. Just do not go around tell others what they should find appealing to the eye.

Oh and Allamerican, I remember not to long ago YOU ASKED for people thoughts on the comformation of Eli. I've always thought that if you do not want to hear the truth. You should not ask people questions that will require a truthful answer. You knew when you asked that question what the answer would be. Part of being an adult is knowing that if you don't like the answer.....you should not have asked the question in the first place. Sorry to see you go but hey if that's what you feel you need to do :hi
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Postby elizer » Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:43 pm

wow this thread is bezerk

its amazing how so many people ask me why i don't dock my pups tail, and time and time again i have to go through the argument that pits don't get their tails docked, and even if i did 14 weeks is too old.


it is normal for people to visit back to a thread to see if people are still talking behind their back

so maybe she'll decided to come back and see this

the internet is made up of people who are brutally honest because they can say things to you without being in your face

there are so many people on this board that you need to learn to accept things that you might not want to hear.

and from what i read, no one really said anything abusive to you at all

i got my pup from a BYB who specialized in those kegs on legs, im going to accept the fact taht he might not grow up to look like a real pit (even though the dam was a nice 55 lb brindle the sire was a tanker)

Eli is a great looking dog, not only because we share the same name :)) , but he really does look good.

i have to agree with other people, his face doesn't look to much like a pitbull, that doesn't mean he isn't a pitbull and it doesn't mean he is ugly, and that doesn't mean i am making fun of how he looks.
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Postby whiskeyman » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:06 pm

How the heck did i miss this???


Not one of my three pooches conform but I'm stickin' round. I have battled depression for years and can get really down sometimes. The short time I have been a member of this forum has been good for me. I really enjoy reading everyones posts and looking at everyones dogs. It helps me smile and laugh and if any of you have ever fought depression before you know how important a little laughter can be.
:) smile everyone :)

later
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Postby elizer » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:11 pm

whiskeyman wrote:How the heck did i miss this???


Not one of my three pooches conform but I'm stickin' round. I have battled depression for years and can get really down sometimes. The short time I have been a member of this forum has been good for me. I really enjoy reading everyones posts and looking at everyones dogs. It helps me smile and laugh and if any of you have ever fought depression before you know how important a little laughter can be.
:) smile everyone :)

later
jeremy


i think maybe whiskey might cause depression too :))
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