Bo My Pride and Joy has been diagnosed with cancer

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Postby fllady » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:52 am

Lucy-Bo's tumor was not irritated at all until they stuck a needle in it. It just looked like a bump under the skin.
We'll say our prayers that this is not malignant.

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Postby concreterose » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:59 am

lovemylucy wrote:thanks for theinfo...i read your dogster page...i just took monkey to the vet. he is going to have the cyst removed and biopsied wednesday. the vet says its hard to tell by just looking at it..he said it looks like MCT because it is so irritated looking, but he has irritated skin there anyway from allergies. so i wil have to wait and see and hope for the best!!


Have you considered doing a needle aspirate instead of biopsy so the vet can look for abnormal cells first? If you opt for surgery, please talk to your vet about taking clean margins...if they don't the tumors can spread, and rapidly.

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Postby fllady » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:58 pm

I agree 100% with what Rose says, make sure your vet understands margins. Don't let them take the lump and then send for results, they can clearly see these cells from a needle biopsy in their clinic. If they say they can't go to another vet!

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Postby rutibegga » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:16 pm

concreterose wrote:Have you considered doing a needle aspirate instead of biopsy so the vet can look for abnormal cells first? If you opt for surgery, please talk to your vet about taking clean margins...if they don't the tumors can spread, and rapidly.


I think vets are steering further away from FNA these days, since they've published a few studies that show that they're most often inconclusive AND that if it happens to be a mast cell, needle aspirates can cause the tumors to release histamines and spread.

The hospital I work for rarely does them anymore, but they also have one surgeon who's really gifted AND knows when to cut and when to send to a specialist.

Flady: I hope BO is doing ok!

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Postby concreterose » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:42 pm

rutibegga wrote:
concreterose wrote:Have you considered doing a needle aspirate instead of biopsy so the vet can look for abnormal cells first? If you opt for surgery, please talk to your vet about taking clean margins...if they don't the tumors can spread, and rapidly.


I think vets are steering further away from FNA these days, since they've published a few studies that show that they're most often inconclusive AND that if it happens to be a mast cell, needle aspirates can cause the tumors to release histamines and spread.

The hospital I work for rarely does them anymore, but they also have one surgeon who's really gifted AND knows when to cut and when to send to a specialist.

Flady: I hope BO is doing ok!


That's interesting! When Pookie was going to the cancer clinic here, that was their preferred method of checking possible tumors.

I would still be picky picky about emphasizing those margins if you do decide to go with surgery...my regular vet did the biopsy of Pookie's first tumor, and she had VERY dirty margins. Within a month she had two more tumors from the histamines spreading. :sad:

Thank goodness for those bully smiles...I know how you feel, I think she cheered me up more than I did for her!

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Postby Misskiwi67 » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:58 pm

I'm in vet school, and they still teach us to stick a needle in it. Cytology isn't perfect, but it can be helpful. Its not so much about wether or not you stick a needle in it, but WHERE, and of course the possibility of antihistamine release in mast cell tumors.

I know some owners that would rather cut everything out and not bother with trying to get a substandard diagnosis. I know others that would be PISSED if I removed a 1 cm fatty cell tumor when they didn't need to pay for anesthesia and surgery. Its all about talking to owners, finding out what they want, and making sure they understand all their options first.

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Postby 04100824 » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:28 pm

:frown:

I'll say a little prayer for you guys!

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Postby fllady » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:10 pm

Thanks to all, I will update Bo's dogster page today. He is doing well.

I agree with the needle biopsy but I still think it should be done the morning of surgery. Bo's tumor was small, but after the needle aspiration it did swell, obviously the mast cells were releasing histamine which in turn realeases cancerous cells. There is no way I would let this be done and then not do surgery for a week or two. I also think it is extremely important to check all lumps/bumps etc. ASAP.

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Postby Bustersmama » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:47 pm

Glad to hear Bo is doing well. Hang in there.

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Postby Deniselynn » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:53 pm

Continued prayers are being sent to you and Bo. :hug:

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Postby lovemylucy » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:06 pm

i do have a "lucy", but it is actually "monkey" with the tumor.......he had surgery today and i didn't have to say anything it was the vet that let me know that he would be excising a large margin of health tissue around the tumor...when i asked about aspiration he said he'd rather just take alarge margin and be sure...the incision is a good 6-7 inches in length.....i will have the results in 4 days or so........monkey is not feeling too well right now i can tell.......hpw long did it take bo to feel normal?

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Postby fllady » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:05 am

Bo had bleeding complications, he also has a very low pain tolerance so it was over a week before he acted "ok".

Why would your vet do a surgery like that without doing a needle aspiration?? I'm not sure I agree with that at all, what if it's a benign mass? Sorry but that doesn't make sense to me!

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Postby lovemylucy » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:16 am

well, i have been going to this vet for about 15 years and i trust him so that is why i went along with the surgery...that and the theory that there is a chance of spreading cancer cells with a biopsy. we will know in a few days what it is........and monkey is up and running around pretty much like normal today......so i think he is feeling much better.

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Postby concreterose » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:05 am

That's great news!!! :headbang:

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Postby fllady » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:22 pm

I am so glad Monkey is doing well. I was told Bo would be up and around in a day or two and he would have been if he had not developed the complications he did.

I firmly believe that you have to trust your vet, I had changed vets and when I found Bo's tumor I went back to my old vet. The only reason I changed was she is located in a terrible part of town, when I worked days it was always dark when I saw her, I hated it. Now that I work evenings I can go during the day, I have peace of mind as I know she is smart, keeps up to date, and most importantly will consult the specialists if she doesn't know something. It's funny when I go in I usually have pulled a study regarding an issue with Bo's case, Dr. Kathy will have the same study that she researched! She also is strong enough to put me in my place if I need it which is good. My knowledge is with humans and she always explains the difference in dogs vs. humans when I present something, e.g. skin integrity.

I also believe as pet owners it is our responsibility to learn as much as we can when it comes to our animals, many vets will treat aggressively charging hundreds of dollars when it's not needed, the markup for meds can be greater than 100%, and unfortunately there are vets that don't know what the hell they are doing, just like any medical profession.

After doing all the research and reading since Bo's ordeal has begun, not only have I learned but I question things, e.g. the needle aspiration and not doing surgery immediately.

Hopefully this has encouraged people to check their dogs for lumps/bumps/oddities on a weekly if not daily basis. Know your dog, every inch of them.

The support from groups like this is what helped me through this process, I will keep posting on Bo's page so please visit his page when you can.


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