Ongoing health problem- Giardia

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Ongoing health problem- Giardia

Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:38 pm

Hi everyone,

I have been having some major issues with Giardia. About a month and a half to two months ago, I brought in a routine fecal to make sure he was clear from worms, and the vet told me he was worm free, but now had Giardia.

Now, I was under the impression that Giardia can be a pretty big deal, at least in humans, but my vet assured me that Giardia is very common in this area- the Northcoast of CA, as there is tons of standing water all the time.

So the vet perscribed panacur, and told me to bring in a fecal in 2 weeks. I did that. Results came back in, Giardia. Panacur again, 2 weeks, Giardia. Panacur again, 2 weeks, Giardia.

Took a fecal in yesterday, and guess what- GIARDIA! And she perscribed Panacur- again, now at 10% strength. I am starting to get very upset about this, as it is getting very expensive for treatment that is not working, and poor Oliver has to live with painful, sometimes bloody diaherrea.

I know how it is spread, and I am wondering if there is something else I can do to help my poor dog. Since I live in an apartment, whenever he is outside, he is leashed, and I am with him- so I am positive that he is not purposely consuming fecal matter, and we have been avoiding puddles like the plague. I wash his food and water bowls every morning with hot water and a mild, organic soap.

I am wondering if there is another type of medication I can inquire about at the vet if round four does not work?

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Postby Linariel » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:49 pm

My pup was put on Metronidazole for giardia. That's what his breeder treats all of her dogs with, and she said it's very effective. I would think if the Panacur didn't work they'd try another medication first.

He didn't have any side effects that were noticeable. He didn't actually have giardia, but it's very common in that area, so they try to keep it from spreading and the puppies from catching it.

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Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:52 pm

Yeah, today when I went back and saw that it was Panacur, again, I asked the receptionist if there was a different medication we could try- but she said the vet wanted to try this new, higher dosage first to see if it was effective. We'll see. This new medication is 44 dollars, while the previous ones have all been 18.

I am a little bit distrubed that she is sticking hard on this medicine, though.

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Postby Linariel » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:58 pm

I'd be worried about using it at extra strength, especially on a small puppy.

My dogs never reacted well to panacur, either. Two of them have had it at some point for worms, and they both puked like crazy immediately after eating it. I was rather annoyed that I wasted about $70 on medication that didn't do anything because they couldn't keep it down. I had to shell out another $70 for a different type of de-wormer.

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Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:06 pm

Well, as far as I know, Oliver hasn't had any negative reactions to it- although, he has vomited a couple of times- but gosh, I guess I don't really know if he is reacting to the cause or the cure! I did a search on Panacur, and it does seem to be the most recomended for Giardia by vets... I just wish I knew what else to do.

I feel kind of stuck. I have been feeding Taste of the Wild, the new grain free formula- and I honestly don't know if he is thriving on it or doing terrible on it, since he pretty much only has diahreah. Poor puppy.

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Postby Linariel » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:09 pm

Maybe get an anti-diarrheal food from the vet until this clears up. It'll probably make his tummy feel a lot better, even if the ingredients are junk for long term feeding. After the giardia clears up, maybe switch him back over slowly and see if he's ok on it.

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Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:13 pm

Any suggestions? I think my vet only carries Eukanuba, Science Diet, and Innova.

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Postby Linariel » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:39 pm

Whatever works that is a low residue food. The ingredients aren't the best but they do the job. I've fed Eukanuba before and it worked immediately and made the dogs feel a lot better.

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Postby BabyReba » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:45 pm

ghiardia is tough to get rid of, which is probably why she wants to prescribe the same meds again before trying something different. it can take a bunch of treatments before you really kick it. i've not heard of panacur as a treatment for it, usually i do get metronidazole, but i'm not a vet so i'm not really sure what panacur does and doesn't do . . . it's very effective for a broad spectrum of worms. not sure about bacteria. good luck!

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Postby Murfins » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:47 pm

My dogs have had Giardia a few times ... okay, QUITE a few times and we have always been given Metronidazole to treat it and it has always worked, usually with just one round (I think it is 14 days).

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Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:59 pm

Really? The first time I was perscribed Panacur it was for 3 days! This round, which cost 44 dollars, is for 8 days, but it is also in 12 hour intervals, and not once a day like the last treatment.

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Postby Murfins » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:26 am

WOW! I would have to look up the cost of the Metro, but I don't think it was more then $20 for 14 days and if memory serves me, it was twice daily.

I would totally put my foot down and ask for Metro because poor Ollie doesn't need to put up with this any longer ... only once did mine get the bloody diarrhea and they were miserable. :frown: I hope little Ollie feels better real soon.

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Postby Sariss » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:16 am

You really need to work on environmental contamination with Giardia, it comes back easily if you don't sanitize stuff around him.

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Postby Jazzy » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:23 am

Have you considered getting a second opinion?

I really like my vet, but over the years when I was questioning or not quite sure she was on the right track; I would tell her I wanted to see a specialist. She was always very understanding & supportive...I would get her records, get the second opinion from the specialist and they would consult with her.

Granted many times it was primarily for me...but I figure if it sets my mind at ease and makes me less anxious...it's worth it.

Good luck with the poor pupper.

FYI: I think Hill's Prescription I/D is for GI upset.

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Postby BabyReba » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:31 am

wow, i buy panacur for about $10 for a 3 day dose. you don't need a prescription for it and you can order it from many of the pet med places. but it is a 3-day med . . . it's not something you give for 14 days, like metronidazole. it's a wormer, metro is sort of a probiotic/antibiotic thing.


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