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Postby iluvmypits » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:37 pm

Hi everyone, My lolabear is getting fat and I need your help!
She is a stocky girl but at 94 lbs I think she needs to go on a diet!
Can anyone recommend any diet dogfood for her? It can't be super expensive as I have another dog that can eat and eat and eat and never gains weight!

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Postby deedeesmom » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:49 pm

Instead of putting her on a diet food, just cut back her current meals a little and increase her activity. Even just 10 extra minutes of playing fetch in your own yard combined with a decrease in food can help alot.

What are you feeding and in what amounts currently?

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Postby iluvmypits » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:50 pm

deedeesmom wrote:Instead of putting her on a diet food, just cut back her current meals a little and increase her activity. Even just 10 extra minutes of playing fetch in your own yard combined with a decrease in food can help alot.

What are you feeding and in what amounts currently?

It is called PMI advantage. I get it at the feed store. I feed her 4 cups a day and she gets treats throughout the day.
She gets alot of exercise. She has a huge backyard and plays all day long.

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Postby deedeesmom » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:57 pm

just because she has a big yard, doesn't mean she is excersing enough. She needs structured work outs with you. A game of fetch, or hide and seek with her favorite toy, just walking around the yard is not exercise.

That sounds like alot of food if it is quality.....

Can't find the nutrition info on it, I will keep looking and get back to you on that.

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Postby iluvmypits » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:08 pm

deedeesmom wrote:just because she has a big yard, doesn't mean she is excersing enough. She needs structured work outs with you. A game of fetch, or hide and seek with her favorite toy, just walking around the yard is not exercise.

That sounds like alot of food if it is quality.....

Can't find the nutrition info on it, I will keep looking and get back to you on that.

Feeding guideline:
A 50lb dog should be fed approximately 2-1/2 cups


INGREDIENTS:
Meat and bone meal, brewers rice, ground wheat, ground yellow corn, corn gluten meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA and citric acid), chicken by-product meal, dried beet pulp, natural poultry flavor, sunflower oil, potassium chloride, salt, brewers dried yeast, monocalcium phosphate, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, vitamin B12 supplement, niacin, biotin, vitamin A supplemnt, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), calcium iodate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), l-lysine, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), riboflavin supplement (source of vitamin B2), vitamin D3 supplement, cobalt carbonate, folic acid.


GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
Crude Protein, minimum 23.0%
Crude Fat, minimum 16.0%
Crude Fiber, maximum 4.0%
Moisture, maximum 12.0%

Calcium (Ca), minimum 1.2%
Phosphorus (P), minimum 0.9%
Zinc, minimum 125 mg/kg
Vitamin A, minimum 10,000 IU/kg
Vitamin E, minimum 80 IU/kg
Linoleic acid, minimum 1.5%

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Postby deedeesmom » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:08 pm

http://www.pminutrition.com/pmi_brand.html

Is this the food?

if so it really isn't the best food, and if you put her on a higher quality she will utilize the food better and need less and look better just because of that.

If you stick with this, it seems like she wouldn't need more then 3 cups or so. What do you think her ideal weight would be?

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Postby iluvmypits » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:12 pm

deedeesmom wrote:http://www.pminutrition.com/pmi_brand.html

Is this the food?

if so it really isn't the best food, and if you put her on a higher quality she will utilize the food better and need less and look better just because of that.

If you stick with this, it seems like she wouldn't need more then 3 cups or so. What do you think her ideal weight would be?

thanks for the help deedee!

I have been feeding my dogs this for awhile now. I did alot of research back when I switched from pedigree to PMI and there coats are amzingly soft and beautiful. When we go places, people comment on how pretty their coats are.

If I knew how to post a pic on here, I would and you can tell me what you think

She is not fat -I mean she is very stocky.

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Postby deedeesmom » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:25 pm

iluvmypits wrote:
deedeesmom wrote:http://www.pminutrition.com/pmi_brand.html

Is this the food?

if so it really isn't the best food, and if you put her on a higher quality she will utilize the food better and need less and look better just because of that.

If you stick with this, it seems like she wouldn't need more then 3 cups or so. What do you think her ideal weight would be?

thanks for the help deedee!

I have been feeding my dogs this for awhile now. I did alot of research back when I switched from pedigree to PMI and there coats are amzingly soft and beautiful. When we go places, people comment on how pretty their coats are.

If I knew how to post a pic on here, I would and you can tell me what you think

She is not fat -I mean she is very stocky.


OK, if she is doing good on it then leave it, just cut back about 1/4 to 1/2 a cup how much you feed her, and give her more structured exercise and I bet she will get into shape for you :). Good luck and your welcome

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Postby Lmporter03 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:22 pm

review from dogfoodanalysis.com of pmi advantage :sad:

The first ingredient in the food is a low quality meat product of unidentifiable origin. This ingredient may contain anything. It’s definition is “the rendered product from mammal tissues, including bone, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents, except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.”


The food is high in low quality cereal content. Brewers rice is a low quality ingredient and by-product, while wheat is believed to be the number one cause of allergy problems. Corn is difficult for dogs to digest and the cause of many allergy problems. The AAFCO definition for corn gluten meal is “the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm.” In plain English, that which remains after all the nutrititious bits have been removed.


“Animal” fat is an ingredient of unspecified origin, and an ingredient we prefer never to see in dog food as it may contain anything. Such unspecified ingredients are invariably very low quality. This ingredient has been preserved with chemicals known to be carcinogenic.


Chicken by-product meal is a further low quality ingredient, consisting of “the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice.”


Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.


Overall, this food is amongst the lowest quality we have seen. It receives a 1-star rating simply because there is nothing lower.

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Postby iluvmypits » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:19 pm

Lmporter03 wrote:review from dogfoodanalysis.com of pmi advantage :sad:

The first ingredient in the food is a low quality meat product of unidentifiable origin. This ingredient may contain anything. It’s definition is “the rendered product from mammal tissues, including bone, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents, except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.”


The food is high in low quality cereal content. Brewers rice is a low quality ingredient and by-product, while wheat is believed to be the number one cause of allergy problems. Corn is difficult for dogs to digest and the cause of many allergy problems. The AAFCO definition for corn gluten meal is “the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm.” In plain English, that which remains after all the nutrititious bits have been removed.


“Animal” fat is an ingredient of unspecified origin, and an ingredient we prefer never to see in dog food as it may contain anything. Such unspecified ingredients are invariably very low quality. This ingredient has been preserved with chemicals known to be carcinogenic.


Chicken by-product meal is a further low quality ingredient, consisting of “the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice.”


Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.


Overall, this food is amongst the lowest quality we have seen. It receives a 1-star rating simply because there is nothing lower.

Oh my gosh, I wonder if this is true or just someone trying to sell another type of dog food? Hmm....I know it is helping their coats but I wonder if it is really this bad for them..

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Postby Misskiwi67 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:14 pm

I think chicken by-products are an acceptable ingredient, and beet pulp is much more beneficial than most people are willing to admit, but as for the rest, I definitely agree.

I would at least try something different and see how your pups do. It sounds like this food really agrees with them, so it might be a better food than it looks like (ingredient lists are an educated guess, NOT a true analysis) which many feed store brands are. They also tend to have poor quality control, so who knows...

Cut down the amount of food you feed by 25%. Weigh your dog every 2 weeks to determine if you're making progress or not. Your pup should lose approximately 2% of their weight per week. When your dog is at their ideal weight you should see a waistline, feel all the ribs easily, see the last two ribs, and not see hip bones.

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Postby pblove » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:09 pm

(preserved with BHA

I am not a fan of foods preserved with BHA.
It would not be a food I would choose because it is not a very good quality kibble, but I can understand feeding what ever it is you can afford.
I agee with op's, cut back on the kibble and up the structured exercise
Also,. when I want a dog to loose weight, I cut out the treats or only give one small piece of treat in am and pm.
A lot of dogs are fat/overweight because of treats, most are veryhigh in calories.


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