Beau's torn CCL

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Postby blackbear219 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:42 am

Checkup on Wednesday went great. It had been 9 days since surgery but he is doing so well that they had my bump him up to the 2-3 week rehab level. So we're taking 5-10 minute walks a couple times a day, doing range of motion exercises more, etc.

The incision is looking pretty damn good and is healing over very nicely.

He's gaining more confidence and strength in the leg by the day. In the long run, we're really just getting started but we're making a lot of small victories on a daily basis.

:peace: :headbang:

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Postby cecollins » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:49 am

Thanks for the update. :thumbsup: Heres to the rest of his recovery going just as well.

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Postby akaspaddero » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:12 am

That is great news!

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Postby girlsfish2 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:49 pm

I am glad Beau is feeling better and improving daily.

I just had this done Thursday to my 3 years old Shar Pei she is also recoving pretty good. I have to be watch her as she is the type that wants to follow me from room to room so I just have to sit and watch tv or on the computer so she will be still. She is also on pain pills that I give her to keep her still. I also have had a problem with her not eating, but I have cooked her some chicken this moring to add to her kibble so i will see if she will eat when I feed tonight about 5 pm.

I also have had this done to my other Shar pei this is 7 years old now. Not only did she do one leg she did the other one too but at different times so she has had it done twice and has recovered greatly after both surgeries. Its a long recovery but they do heal.

BTW both my girls did theirs by running on the hard wood floors and they both have learned to only run on the rugs now.

Hope he contuines to improve

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Postby ssontag » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:44 pm

So glad Beau is doing well, thanks for the update! Hope he's up and around soon.

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Postby blackbear219 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:18 am

Well, everything had been going really well with Beau until a week and a half or so ago.

All of a sudden, he popped a red spot on his incision. I thought this was very weird since it had been healing with no redness for a month or so. It healed up quickly so I didn't think much of it. I assumed that his dissolvable stitches had dissolved so they weren't there for support anymore and all the pressure was on the newly form skin and it tore a little bit.

It healed up nicely, and then a different one popped up...which also healed quickly and nicely.

Thursday I had to go to Boston for the day/night for business. As I left I checked out the incision and he had a little stubby sticking out which I thought confirmed my theory that the stitches were dissolving and letting go.

I get back on Friday and now he's got about an inch of what looks just like fishing line hanging out of his incision. My first thought was once again stitching but then I remember the doctor telling me that the material they use to bind the knee joint back together to replicate the ACL is basically just fishing line.

Now I am really, really nervous that this isn't stitching...that it could be part of the line they used to wrap the actual knee joint. That would be really bad because that would basically mean that he busted it somehow and basically botched the entire surgery.

However, he is not limping any extra, it's not swollen...he doesn't seem to know the difference at all. The only difference is that this piece of line is hanging out. I would think that if he had popped the line wrapped around his knee then he would be showing some signs of discomfort but he is not. I am obviously hoping that I am over-reacting and that it is just stitching and can be clipped off...but I have definitely been stressing about it all weekend waiting to get an appointment with the vet.

I've got an appointment for tomorrow morning and the doc is supposed to be calling me sometime this morning to discuss it so I will let you guys know how everything turns out.

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Postby blackbear219 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:49 am

I just got my call back from the vet.

The lady said that what I am seeing is just the stitching coming through. She said it's fairly common for that to happen once it has been healing for a while and that there is nothing to worry about. When I take him in tomorrow morning, they will clip off the excess and he should be good to go.

Phew, thank god...had me kinda worried for a bit there.

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Postby cecollins » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:30 am

Oh Good news!!!! I would have been worried just the same had it been my dog. I am glad to hear that it is nothing to worry about! Big hugs a nd kisses to Beau!

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Postby Kingsgurl » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:16 pm

Oh, whew. Had me worried for a minute there!

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Postby blackbear219 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:17 pm

Had our appointment this morning, he got the clean bill of health! :peace:

Ultimately, the reason that I got spooked was because I remember when I picked him up on the day of his surgery and I asked "So does he have to come back to have these stitches taken out, or what?" and they said "Oh, no, no...those are internal, dissolveable stitches so you'll never even see them or have to worry about them."

So, based on that response, when he had an inch or two of "fishing line" sticking out of his incision I figured it was a bad thing, luckily it wasn't.

They basically just took some scissors and clipped it down as close to the skin as they could and called it good.

He hadn't been in to the vet for a check-in for a month or so, so I showed the lady how I can hold his front paws in my hands and he will stand on his back legs and all that. She was really impressed and she said that for being less than 2 months separated from the surgery (Feb 4th) that he is doing about as good as could possibly be expected.

I can't wait until it warms up a little bit...once it does he will be swimming in the river every day for some good strengthening exercise.

I feel kinda silly for worrying about it as much as I did, but hey, better safe than sorry, right? :P

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Postby blackbear219 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:38 pm

I know it's been a long time since I've posted but I figured I would update you all on Beau.

The knee surgery was a huge success. It healed up well, he uses both legs equally and has recovered all of the muscle mass. He can run, pivot, turn and jump almost as well as he used to be able to. He can't jump as high, or run as fast, but for all intents and purposes the leg is sturdier than ever.

A couple weeks ago, I was outside with him and I saw a ripple in his fur on his front shoulder. I felt it and it was a lump, about the size of a good sized blueberry, so I scheduled a vet appointment since he was only a month or two away from his yearly visit anyways.

The doctor felt around on the lump and then proceeded to feel around the rest of his body. He looks at me and says "Did you notice this other lump on his chest as well"...I said no. He feels that one and says to the nurse (who was journaling the visit on the computer) "This one is about 5cm by 4cm", which caused a giant lump to appear in my throat and my heart to sink.

He aspirated the lumps with a needle and pulled out some tissue which they looked up under a microscope. Thankfully, it turns out they were just "fatty lymphomas" which are benign, fat-based tumors and are not dangerous at all. They said they are common and nothing to worry about unless they grow and get in his way, at which point they will remove them. They checked his heart and lungs and the doctor estimated that, baring anything crazy, he very potentially should have a lifespan of about 13 years. They took some blood to test and sent me on my way. I was very happy that the visit resulted in no negative news and he remains in good health.

Unfortunately, we didn't make it away as scott-free as I had thought.

The next day I get a call at work from the Vet. They tell me that Beau's blood tests came back and that he tested positive for Lyme disease, which he contracted via a tick.

Now, I put FrontLine on Beau year-round. I check him for ticks ALL THE TIME. I have never found a tick on him, but obviously one did manage to get him at some point and, thanks to Murphy's law, it happened to be one that was carrying the bacteria.

They didn't seem overly concerned about it. They told me to keep an eye out for the Lyme symptoms and if he shows any at any point, to bring him in immediately at which point they will treat it with antibiotics. They said that treating Lyme before symptoms arise has proven to be an exercise in futility so that is about all I can do is keep an eye on it. I even called them back an hour later to ask "Are you sure there is no kind of preventative treatment we can do RIGHT NOW?!" but they said no.

My friends have come up with a new nickname for Beau now..."Lymey". :oops:

Has anyone ever had to deal with Lyme disease in their dog? Any tips you can share? It really is a major bummer for me, especially with how proactive I have tried to be in regards to tick prevention and his health in general. I felt like a bad owner at first for "letting him" receive the disease, but I also know that I did everything I could with the FrontLine and daily tick checks to keep them off him. I think poor Beau just can't catch a break sometimes.

His seizures have also gotten worse. We have gone from a seizure every 2-4 months to a seizure every 2-4 weeks. The episodes are the same, as in the seizures themselves are not getting worse, they are just happening more frequently. As per my discussion with the doctor, I am going to keep monitoring the frequency of the seizures for a couple more months and if this pattern keeps up and he continues to have them this regularly then I am going to medicate him for them sooner than later. 5 years of seizures has gotten to be stressful and at this point I would prefer to try to free him, and myself, from that burden if possible.

Love my dog. He's my best buddy and I would do anything for him. We had a good time on Halloween. I went to a Halloween party and Beau attended with me. His costume was a cut sheet draped over his back that said "Walking Vet Bill" on both sides, it was a huge hit. lol

Hope you all are doing well, and thanks for your support during the knee surgery. It was nice to go back through this thread and read all of the positive thoughts. If anyone has any experience with Lyme disease, please feel free to give me any info that you can. I have read up on it A LOT, but first hand experience from other owners is always beneficial, welcome and appreciated.

Take care.

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Postby kaytenmags » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:16 pm

i know nothing about lyme disease, but i've got a question for you!

my dog maggie is at the vets right now getting more x-rays done because she's been limping pretty badly. the specialist suspects it's a partially torn ACL.

so my question...
blackbear219 wrote:PS: He's having ECR done, btw...not TTA or TPLO

the specialist this morning reccommended the TPLO surgery, but what's TTA and ECR?

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Postby BaltimoreBully » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:11 pm

ECR = Extracapsular Repair this is the "original" type of cruciate surgery where they go in and repair with either a tissue graft (if there is enough healthy ligament left) or what is basically fishing line. This is the procedure most regular vets do

TPLO = tibial plataeu leveling osteotomy. This involves a cutting of the bone and securing it with a metal plate and screws to stabilize the joint.

TTA = tibial tuberosity advancement. this is still a fairly new technique. I don't have any experience with it but my vet is absolutely against it. He said it's a cruel procedure but didn't elaborate

I've seen plenty of dogs with the first 2 types of surgery and either is fine. TPLO is better for younger or very active dogs, they seem to recover faster with less chance of reoccurance. Everybody has an opinion and each vet has a favorite procedure. Bottom line if your dog needs surgery research all of the options before you decide. Each one has advantages and disadvantages.

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Postby kaytenmags » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:31 pm

BaltimoreBully wrote:ECR = Extracapsular Repair this is the "original" type of cruciate surgery where they go in and repair with either a tissue graft (if there is enough healthy ligament left) or what is basically fishing line. This is the procedure most regular vets do

TPLO = tibial plataeu leveling osteotomy. This involves a cutting of the bone and securing it with a metal plate and screws to stabilize the joint.

TTA = tibial tuberosity advancement. this is still a fairly new technique. I don't have any experience with it but my vet is absolutely against it. He said it's a cruel procedure but didn't elaborate

I've seen plenty of dogs with the first 2 types of surgery and either is fine. TPLO is better for younger or very active dogs, they seem to recover faster with less chance of reoccurance. Everybody has an opinion and each vet has a favorite procedure. Bottom line if your dog needs surgery research all of the options before you decide. Each one has advantages and disadvantages.

thanks for the info!
my vet reccommended the TPLO surgery because maggie's only 3.5 years old, and very active. also, he said something about her knee having more 'slant' than normal :dunno:
from what i've read, the TPLO is more expensive, but it seems worth it to me!

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Postby blackbear219 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:52 pm

kaytenmags wrote:
BaltimoreBully wrote:ECR = Extracapsular Repair this is the "original" type of cruciate surgery where they go in and repair with either a tissue graft (if there is enough healthy ligament left) or what is basically fishing line. This is the procedure most regular vets do

TPLO = tibial plataeu leveling osteotomy. This involves a cutting of the bone and securing it with a metal plate and screws to stabilize the joint.

TTA = tibial tuberosity advancement. this is still a fairly new technique. I don't have any experience with it but my vet is absolutely against it. He said it's a cruel procedure but didn't elaborate

I've seen plenty of dogs with the first 2 types of surgery and either is fine. TPLO is better for younger or very active dogs, they seem to recover faster with less chance of reoccurance. Everybody has an opinion and each vet has a favorite procedure. Bottom line if your dog needs surgery research all of the options before you decide. Each one has advantages and disadvantages.

thanks for the info!
my vet reccommended the TPLO surgery because maggie's only 3.5 years old, and very active. also, he said something about her knee having more 'slant' than normal :dunno:
from what i've read, the TPLO is more expensive, but it seems worth it to me!


I don't have much more to add on top of what BaltimoreBully said, that is good solid info.

If you have a doctor that can perform TPLO and can afford it, then go for it. ECR is a solid procedure as well and has worked out just fine for Beau and I. Either way, it is a lot of work and rehab, but it was worth every minute. Best of luck!


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