Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

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Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby Red » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:45 pm

Just one of the many crappy "trainers" who take your money. Mr. Pattison is known to be a ignorant individual when it comes to training. He even make Cesar look better.I am sure it does not bother the usual suspects here who find manhandling and corrections just fine and dandy but slapping someone dogs on the muzzle and talk to a client that way, in front of the whole class, is just plain unprofessional.

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/brad-pattison-gets-annoyed/14534450

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby tiva » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:48 pm

Ow! I'm amazed his supporters call what he does "tapping." It looks to me as if he is hitting the dog on the muzzle as hard as he can, over and over again. Muzzles are the most sensitive part of the dog's face, and hitting a dog on the face is a recipe for disaster.

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby Stormi » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:08 pm

Saw that posted in the CASI classroom. What an donkey. Way to take your frustration out on the dog...

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby Stormi » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:09 pm

donkey?!?!

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby InBearsMemory » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:10 pm

I am actually surprised that nobody has ever mentioned this guy on here. I watched some of the episodes and the guy is a total moron. He is the same way on TV as he is in that video.
Anyone that just stands there while letting their dog getting hit like that is a effing coward as well. That is something I have zero tolerance for.

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby Bustersmama » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:13 pm

I will just take your word for it Red. I think the video would just piss me off. I dont see why people think that type of training is anyting but disgusting and brutal. Moron.

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby rambler72 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:06 pm

Wow, irritate the "trainer" and the dog pays. Nice.... :po: :spankme:

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby PinKster » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:43 pm

Disgusting! This is what creates aggressive dogs, when they cant trust their owners to keep them safe.

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby TrainTrax » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:48 pm

Ugh, poor dog! It's funny that his supporters call it training. I know dozens and dozens of people who have trained their dogs with positive reinforcement. Just plain amazes me the cowardness of some people. If some guy tried to hit my dog like that, Honey would be the least of his worries. Cause I would whoop the chocolate out of him. Bah! lol

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby pacopoe » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:52 pm

Stormi wrote:donkey?!?!


This new word replacement is real slick. Even caught my version of your original word choice when I had subbed $$.

Since that's the case, I won't type out what I *really* think of that guy because it would probably come out sounding like bubblegum and roses.

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby Jazzy » Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:57 am

I actually wish I would come across someone like that.

I have alot of pent up anger towards the many injustices in the world; and being a therapist who actually has to teach anger management at times, it is simply inappropriate for me to actually let it loose the way I occasinonally feel like doing.

But to have a perfect excuse, to allow me to self rightiously give vent to my spleen...an excuse like Mr. Pattison...why that would be like Christmas in July! :twisted: (I would love to show him the many uses for that leash that would convince him it is just thick enough :twisted: )

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby aznchipmunk » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:01 am

wow....to the "trainer" AND the guyvideo tapping it - who GIGGLED at the end?!?!?!

:po: eat chocolate...

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby Leslie H » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:00 pm

I am sure it does not bother the usual suspects here who find manhandling and corrections just fine and dandy but slapping someone dogs on the muzzle and talk to a client that way, in front of the whole class, is just plain unprofessional.


It's hard for me to not respond to comments like this in a hostile way, and while perhaps I'm just being oblivious, but I'm relatively certain I'm not one of the "usual suspects". In my opinion, comments like this only serve to be provocative. Red, I have great respect for you as a trainer, and I respect what you do here on this board, how much you are willing to give of your time and effort to help members and their dogs. Honestly, I don't think there's many people here, if any, who are so willing to extend themselves to others.
Then you make comments like this, which seem to say that anyone who trainers using corrections (that includes me) is on the same plane as some jerk who's smacking other people's dogs around. I'm offended. Was that your intent? Do you feel all physical corrections are abusive?

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby retro » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:13 am

queue crickets...

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Re: Don't annoy this canadian "trainer"

Postby Red » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:29 pm

Leslie, thanks for your comment. I am sure you are not the only one that is offended by something. There are plenty of comments, usually from the same people, toward those who don't rely on corrections as well. As hard as it is for you to not respond to what I said, despite making a mistake in comparison, it is hard for me to not to point out a certain kind of handling. So, to answer your question, the intent was not to offend you personally but you I am positive you knew that already.

Do you feel all physical corrections are abusive?


I think that most are, due to the perfect timing needed to apply positive punishment and delays potentially resulting in fallout and confusion for the dog. Same with the intensity of a correction, which has to be enough to suppress a behavior but not so strong that it causes physiological and mental trauma. I don't know of anyone who can judge the appropriate intensity perfectly from the get going. Usually one start with a milder correction and go higher if the behavior is not suppressed but if does not work the way one wants it to work then the animal habituate to the aversive stimulus.My opinion is that meeting these criteria rarely happens and therefore there are more risks associated with corrections than a good outcome. Not only one should know how to apply a correction but there should be an understanding of what is actually happening at an emotional state, before an aversive is used.Because of all of this I tend to discourage people from using corrections, at least as the initial approach and not if they are not experienced and skilled.


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