nice to know ya! dogs like ours (these big reds) are throwbacks for sure. his dad was a 60 pound handful and his mother wasnt over 50! but the older he gets the more rare i think he is, he's lean now at 95 after the winter but he stands over 4 feet tall! long as hell body and very athletic, he runs like the wind! some people dont like the bigger dogs i am aware but for the fact he's athletic he is def. atypical! i'm arranging some breedings here in oregon and the surrounding areas soon so it has been real exciting. to see my dog in person he's just a monster. as i said i'm glad to know you and this site looks like a good one! take it easy and i wll be around quite a bit!!