OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby Luna_Redmoon » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:26 pm

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The adult dog with cut ears totally looks ready to attack >.>

And if you ask me, the owner in this pic looks more ready to attack than the dog lol
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Assuming, period, only gets people in trouble and merely causes more havoc.
Like many have said, just because YOU cant read the dogs body language with cut ears, does not mean every owner cant either. I dont know one person who owns a dog with cropped ears that has any trouble what so ever reading them.

And dogs dont always give "true statements" with their ears.
Lou's ears stand up. When she is protective over something, example her favorite toy, her ears can either be layed (not pinned) back, or straight up. People may see her and think she is in a playful mood because her tail is slowly wagging, but, if you notice her placement with the toy directly under her chest between both front paws, her back stiff, not relaxed, and her eyes get more narrow. You would then see she is being protective, not necessarily aggressive, but she is daring anyone to touch her stuffed cow.

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby TahsSunny » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:56 pm

Luna_Redmoon wrote:Image
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The adult dog with cut ears totally looks ready to attack >.>

And if you ask me, the owner in this pic looks more ready to attack than the dog lol
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O my lord! Your dog is so darn cute!!. You need to post more photo's of her!.

The puppy, is that a Doberman to?.

Please post a few more photo's!

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby Luna_Redmoon » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:12 pm

yes she is a full doberman. She isnt mine though. The forst pic the one with the mother (Ophelia) is Blake, the pup in the second pic is Lore` (pronounced Laura) then some pics of mama (Ophelia or Phe) then the pic of the red/rust and the black is Ashley and Lore` again. The bottom pic is my best friend holding Red lol. Red is so nosy. I could barely take the pic for her trying to lick the lens XD

Im going back over there later to have a few hour playdate with my 2 white pits and her dogs. My big male, Riley thinks her "brute like" schnauzer is his boyfriend. ALWAYS licking him and following him around. They grew up together, its so sweet.
Ill take some pics then :)

5 dobie pups as big as Lou, mama dobie, 2 schnauzers, and 2 pits. its always a fun time. Such goof balls.
Their favorite toy is a horse whip. We tied an old sock to the end of it and its like an overgrown cat toy...but for dogs! They LOVE it ha ha

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Postby TahsSunny » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:17 pm

Luna_Redmoon wrote:yes she is a full doberman. She isnt mine though. The forst pic the one with the mother (Ophelia) is Blake, the pup in the second pic is Lore` (pronounced Laura) then some pics of mama (Ophelia or Phe) then the pic of the red/rust and the black is Ashley and Lore` again. The bottom pic is my best friend holding Red lol. Red is so nosy. I could barely take the pic for her trying to lick the lens XD

Im going back over there later to have a few hour playdate with my 2 white pits and her dogs. My big male, Riley thinks her "brute like" schnauzer is his boyfriend. ALWAYS licking him and following him around. They grew up together, its so sweet.
Ill take some pics then :)

5 dobie pups as big as Lou, mama dobie, 2 schnauzers, and 2 pits. its always a fun time. Such goof balls.
Their favorite toy is a horse whip. We tied an old sock to the end of it and its like an overgrown cat toy...but for dogs! They LOVE it ha ha


Wow, she has quite a few dobermans! Lol. There so stunning, I love Dobermans. I cannot wait to see more pics of the dogs!. Please post up photo's of your dogs to when you can, I've never seen images of your dogs. I cannot get over how stunning her dogs are :inlove: A horse whip, that's a interesting toy!. Does she always tie something to the whip or by itself sometimes? That would be so cool to watch!. Can you tape a small vid of that if you can?.

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby Luna_Redmoon » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:41 pm

Im not able to record vids, I has an El Cheapo phone lol. But I can post up a few pics. And we leave the sock on the whip, and when they tear it to shreds we find something else. it varies from socks, to rope toys, sometimes a bone, or a jingly tennis ball. Its just whatever the pups find interest in next really.

And she had a litter from Ophelia. Prospects for showing :)
There was 8 pups, but now, their is just 4. Blake went to a new home yesterday. The ones she is keeping is the red boy, Ashley, and the Black and beige, Lore` (her markings are too light for a show, but she has so much personality!) And Of course, mama, Phe. She has a total of 4 thats hers, the white schnauzer, Lolita, is her mothers. So she has 2 less than I do lol. (Not including my parents dogs)

Its great to get all our dogs together. her 4 and my 6 now that my 2 youngest are finally large enough to play with the pups ha ha. Its mainly a playdate for the adults right now though. Excluding Bailey, who is at the vet getting fixed. and teeth cleaned. (She is the only one that doesnt like the toothbrush o.O )

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby SnowKoi2010 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:28 am

First I want apologize to Eclipse. I never meant to drag her dogs into this or anything. :/

With that out of the way, we must continue this really? I do look at ears, tail, posture, and face expression. The ears and face as well as posture and tail combined does mean a lot. Taking one or two can and will make it harder to tell what your dog is feeling. And there is a HUGE difference in a Dobermins Crop job and a Pit bulls. At least they have most of their ear.

They can move their ears? Oh nice, but cannot pin them down when they need to? Dogs with cropped ears can only move their new stubs back and forth, Unless you can provide me with a video that proves me wrong I will believe this. We are talking about dogs. A animal that even scientist doesn't understand, as well as the rest of the world. We do not know what dogs looked like thousands years ago. Yes the Wild wolf might have upright ears, doesn't meant he domesticated dog should.

Once again, there is no medical benefit from cropping. It is only done for cosmetic reasons majority of the time. You do get dogs who have injuries to their ears which need surgery to fix, but that is different from cosmetic cropping. Anyways, yeah, I'm home from work and tired. You don't have to bother replying to this post either, it will be my last in this particular thread. I wasn't looking to make enemies or show my butt, which I managed to once again do. D:

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby SnowKoi2010 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:46 am

Okay I give on the ears thing. But I still don't like it :O IMO.

And I really didn't want to make anyone dislike me. So yeah.. but my views are mine and yours are yours. But i'm still learning Body Language for dogs and to me the ears and tail are important until I really get to where I can tell which stiff body postures are bad and are okay but needs watching.

Anyways yeah, i'm done now.

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Postby Luna_Redmoon » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:15 am

gah.... i really wish i had my old phone!!! I had a video of Judice and Lou playing... and judice barely even had nubs (from what we could guess, a home job, had broken teeth too... :( ) but you could see where he would raise the nubs up and down/back as he was prancing around with lou playing. basically mocking Lou as they bounced around and ran around the coffee table. He was as big as Riley but even goofier. maybe I can find a picture of him somewhere... i mean his was REALLY short. But after we got him healthy again and cleaned him up (even got surgery to remove the worst teeth) he was always so happy

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby Kingsgurl » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:50 am

I don't think the issue is if they can raise the nubs enough to communicate so much as it is, why should they be put at this disadvantage merely because we 'like the way it looks'. Yes, they can use whatever we have left them, but there is no doubt that the communication is not as clear, has to be looked closer at. I have more problem with cropped dogs in group, not because of THEIR behavior, but because, to the other dogs, they appear somwhat confrontational (dog body language wise)
Over-seas they have outlawed the dock/crop and, personally I hope we follow suit. It serves no purpose I can see. I used to think it would encourage the 'home crop' people, but I refuse to use this as justification anymore. It would actually make it more obvious who was doing it at home with scissors (of which there are far too many)

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby Luna_Redmoon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:31 pm

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just wondering if these dogs really did belong to someone here or not (found on google), cause if so I wanted to let the know their photo was being stolen for puppies being sold.

I recognized the photo

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/pet/2446773609.html

unless of course these are your dogs and your ad...but anyways. just thought i would mention it

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Postby Celesteandthebullies » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:39 pm

It was one of the first pictures that popped up on Google when I searched "cropped ears"

I've seen for years so they likely took it... You can ask them.

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby AllisonPitbullLvr » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:19 pm

jaypitcrazy wrote:i really see y it matters... its not dangerous and doesnt have a negative affect.. and saying the dog would feel someway isnt fair because you cant tell wat the dog is thinking... my dog diesel has his ears cropped and has had his ears cropped since ive had him but his breeder did it... and i think he looks good either way... and it hasnt seemed to make him insecure like people have said when in actuality i think its probly made him more cocky. lol i feel like as long as the dog is still young and hasnt really been used to his ears.. meaning more then a 6mnths old i would say then its fine... but i wouldnt agree with doing it any older then tht.

Anytime your dog is put under a general anesthetic, there is a chance they won't wake up. Putting your dog under a GA any more times than necessary is a risk. Doing it for purely cosmetic reasons, is stupid.

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby Brianna&Bubba. » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:54 pm

jaypitcrazy wrote:i really see y it matters... its not dangerous and doesnt have a negative affect.. and saying the dog would feel someway isnt fair because you cant tell wat the dog is thinking... my dog diesel has his ears cropped and has had his ears cropped since ive had him but his breeder did it... and i think he looks good either way... and it hasnt seemed to make him insecure like people have said when in actuality i think its probly made him more cocky. lol i feel like as long as the dog is still young and hasnt really been used to his ears.. meaning more then a 6mnths old i would say then its fine... but i wouldnt agree with doing it any older then tht.


If a dogs ears is going to be cropped, its needs to be WAY before 6 months. More like 10-15 weeks. Im also pretty sure dogs are very use to their ears before six months... I don't see how dogs are not used to their ears at any age? :huh?:

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Re: OFFICIAL ear cropping/tail docking debate thread

Postby Misskiwi67 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:06 pm

jaypitcrazy wrote:i really see y it matters... its not dangerous and doesnt have a negative affect..


I disagree. I have PERSONALLY seen a dog die from this procedure, had to administer CPR to another (his heart did stop, we got him back), I know of other dogs who have died.

It is also EXTREMELY painful...


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